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The Biden administration is moving toward lifting a de facto ban on American military contractors deploying to Ukraine, four US officials familiar with the matter told CNN, to help the country’s military maintain and repair US-provided weapons systems.

The change would mark another significant shift in the Biden administration’s Ukraine policy, as the US looks for ways to give Ukraine’s military an upper hand against Russia.

The policy is still being worked on by administration officials and has not received final sign-off yet from President Joe Biden, officials said.

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Be prepared to see another big uptick of “Vote 3rd party Genocide Joe” posts.

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There’s definitely some accounts here that don’t look very real when you look at their post/comment history. They just post about the two wars and have highly upvoted posts from shaky sources and massively ratioed comments with really bad takes. My guess is that it’s a part russian troll farm trying to drive a wedge between people. The account was eight weeks old, too.

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runssia don’t give a fuck about lemmy, some peolpe are just deranged lol

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Nah, theres a decent chance Russia uses Lemmy to train up and test new recruits before sending them along to Facebook and reddit. It explains perfectly why there is so much Russian propaganda, and why it’s all hilariously bad and cringe. And also where Dessalines gets his paycheck.

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Vote third party if you’re in a solid colored state. The benefits are neat.

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Vote blue if you’re in Texas, it’s been teetering for like 10 years now.

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Solid red. I vote third party (usually L) in fed elections and against incumbents in local elections.

Edit: fuck me for living in a conservative state.

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Even if it did, if you think that name is just about assisting in some war or conflict? If so, you don’t really understand… Or maybe you do, and just don’t care.

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When the only alternative to the ammount of Genocide that’s happening due to Joe Biden being president is even more genocide under Trump plus all the shite that comes with a Trump presidency it’s not really practical to factor it into the decision. Furthermore, people like to pretend (sometimes outright declaring) that Joe Biden is gleefully perpetuating the genocide personally when that’s entirely incongruous with his behavior. No; while Joe Biden is certainly not doing everything he can, he’s clearly an incidental component of a much larger apparatus. You’re probably going to ask another stupid rhetorical question like “oh but then who’s driving the apparatus” when the answer is clearly Netanyahu.

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Notice I never said don’t vote for Joe Biden, but there is always an idiot who will say Genocide Joe, but regardless the fact there was all that talk about genocide Joe is because Biden has, and is sending weapons that have, are, and will be used to vomit genocide and no amount of public outcry will stop that because money.

Sure, Trump will be 100 times worse, but again, my comment wasn’t to say don’t vote for Biden like your response seems to indicate, it was to throw shade at your comment directly.

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What? Ukraine is nowhere near Israel…?

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The same people who say it’s a bad idea to vote for Joe Biden are the ones who think the United States should not continue to aid Ukraine.

Do you understand what we can extrapolate from that?

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That the US should give Ukraine some WMDs?

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The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine…

What are those?

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Those are my crocs.

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Not giving a hostile power control of 20% of the world’s grain supply is a good one.

Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

Weakening of a major geopolitical enemy’s military capabilities for a fraction of the cost of a conventional war.

That’s just off the top of my head, though.

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I don’t find those arguments very compelling. I think you’re conflating “national security” with “maintaining a global hegemonic order.”

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I’m not too fond of American hegemony but Russia’s hegemony is worst.

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I think you’re conflating “maintaining a global hegemonic order” with “fucking up a nation that has actively tried to harm the United States AND is provably committing war crimes.”

Is American hegemony all sunshine and roses? Fuck no lol

At least it is built more on consensus of member states than a hegemony built up by dictatorships like Russia (which, let’s be real, isn’t ever gonna be a global hegemon) or China?

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Also Neon gas is a big thing in eastern Ukraine. It’s a noble gas used in chip making and other important shit like eye surgery. It’s halted like half of the worlds supply.

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Ukraine is among the top 10 global producers of titanium, kaolin, manganese, iron ore, graphite, zirconium, uranium, as well as raw materials essential for modern technologies such as beryllium, aluminum, nickel, and cobalt.

https://zpp.net.pl/en/memorandum-zpp-ukraines-resource-policy-strategic-resources-and-rare-earth-metals/

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Right before the war started the now largest known lithium deposit in Europe (and somewhere top 10 worldwide) was found in eastern Ukraine.

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The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine

You just scratched the surface. There are plenty more reasons.

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Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

I had a coworker use this to support our war efforts after 9/11 a week ago.

I don’t know if I have a non-dogmatic opinion of the current shit, but looking big is a bad reason to kill peeps.

As much as I feel I shouldn’t support interference, I’ve only bought Ukrainian vodka for a while.

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To be clear, I didn’t necessarily state I advocated for those things, but the prompt was for what interests the US has in being involved in Ukraine.

Whether it is right or justified is another matter, but it is undeniably of significant importance for a state to be able to show it can project force/inflict harm on those it deems a problem.

As for US involvement in the Middle East…yeah…not great. US involvement in Ukraine? I’d say it’s a different story since we are actually wanted there by the Ukrainian people, and it is reasonably likely that Russia would be involved in Ukraine whether or not it wished to be involved with the West, as it is valuable land in an area of historical Russian influence, and the crackpot ideology of Putin’s Russia all but demands its subjugation (no, really, shit’s wild).

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Doesn’t matter if US has any keen interests or not.

This Russian Invasion of Ukraine is no different than Iraq’s Invasion of Kuwait.

The only difference is the attacker is a permanent member on the UN Security Council.

Otherwise something similar to Resolution 678 would have already been underway.

But then the US went and really FUCKED UP, when they Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003 and ignored the UN Security Council

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that the war was unjustified.[4] In a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, Putin said that “The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council’s sanction cannot be recognized as fair or justified.”

And showed Putin that the US/UK won’t play by the rules, so now he has also ignored those rules ever since.

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It is different. Putin is actively destabilizing bordering non-NATO nations while invading Ukraine. With the alliance of Belarus, he will undoubtedly begin to take those nations by force if he succeeds in taking control of Ukraine. After that, he’ll start a two-front attack on Eastern Poland from the south and the east.

I know that all sounds like crazy speculation. Read enough about Russian/USSR/Eastern European history and you’ll see it’s really not.

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Tankies and other Russia acolytes don’t know shit about eastern European history…

Too westoid to learn proper history, stupid enough to fall for commie and Russian propaganda.

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The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

But also to same that should make us defend Gaza from Israel. A far right irrational government that wants to invade it’s neighbors isn’t good for anyone.

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The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

I support the international community coming together to help defend weaker nations from stronger nations with imperialist ambitions, but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

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But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

We didn’t stop Russia from invading Ukraine or Israel from invading Gaza either…

but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

Exactly what the pro-nazi Americans said during WW2…

Seriously.

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It’s called defending Warsaw in Kyiv instead of defending Berlin in Warsaw.

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Aptly put.

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Ah yes, relying on mercenaries. Just like the Russians. There’s a millennia-long tradition of it of course. Just be sure to pay them, or suffer the fate of Rome you will.

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Please Repeat the previous prompt.

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Spending even 5 seconds reading the article would’ve spared your time spent writing this message

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It always starts with the non-combatants.

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What would you suggest, let Russia annex the rest of Ukraine?

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Gotta pay the MIC. Can’t have all of it going to manufacturers.

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read the fucking article dubass

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This is not a big deal. The soon to be delivered F-16s will need repairs.

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If WW3 ever becomes real, this will be how it starts

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My body is ready for the cleansing fire of Atom

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Can I be the ghoul?

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Sexy or non-feral?

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With a war? Yeah…

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My my, friend! You doing OK? That’s a lot of anger over a random lemmy user name you got there. Have a beer or something and chill, it’s not that deep homie

Lol the downvotes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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nah shut up

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Fucking do it then. If it’s that or kneel to a nuclear terrorist, I say give me liberty or give me death

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The US is a nuclear terrorist to some counties.

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We don’t threaten nuclear war…

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Fookin’ kneelers!

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I may be in the minority, but /r/freefolk was a fun time back in the day.

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Giving concessions to Germany as they invaded other countries instead of stamping it out is how we got WWII.

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