A lot of what needs to be done is making sure that the Harris win is large enough that you can’t easily claim that a handful of ballots should be tossed and change the outcome. That means:
- Check your voter registration — part of the Republican strategy has long been invalidating registrations so people can’t vote
- Volunteer — nothing in the world quite like talking to people.
- Donate — money is used for everything from ads to voter turnout operations
- Organize; be prepared to turn out with others in your community to actively object to any effort to ignore your votes
Okay, now hear me out. What if we treat them like traitors?
America has rarely treated its traitors like traitors. That’s how we got in this whole mess.
Imagine if they dragged Prescott Bush out of his house in the middle of the night and strung him up.
We would literally be on a different. Fucking. Planet.
TIL. From Wikipedia:
Prescott Bush
In July 2007, a BBC investigation reported that Prescott Bush, father of U.S. President George H. W. Bush and grandfather of then-president George W. Bush, was to have been a “key liaison” between the 1933 Business Plotters and the newly emerged Nazi regime in Germany, although this has been disputed by Jonathan Katz as a misconception caused by a clerical research error. According to Katz, “Prescott Bush was too involved with the actual Nazis to be involved with something that was so home grown as the Business Plot.”
Imagine your best defense is “I’m too much of a Nazi to be involved in petty things like a coup in the U.S. We’ll be speaking German soon enough anyway.”
Indeed we should. The problem is that the last batch of Trump zealots who tried to help him illegally overturn the last election still haven’t actually even faced trial let alone been punished. The wheels of justice are turning so slowly, they might as well be standing still.
Over noticed that peiple dont really fear the social consequences of their actions, especially sinve scammers and con men keep getting chamce after chance to steal money. Cant help but feel that coincided with the decline of a good ol’ tar and feathering.
It’s basically a cheat code for society. So much of our functioning civilization is built on honor code that just noclipping straight through has shown that there’s no backstop and you can just about literally get away with murder.
Cant help but feel that coincided with the decline of a good ol’ tar and feathering.
I legit think that’s part of it but more in a broad sense that we’ve lost nearly all sense of a local community. People act differently when they legit don’t care about the opinions of others around them.
That didn’t used to be the case back when everyone knew everyone else in the local community because ratbags would get cut off from doing business and retaining services and everyone would publicly shun them which is a significantly more powerful tool for social shaping than people realize.
We need to bring back the sense of local responsibility that being a part of a community used to involve. I have no idea how to do this.
I may not want their coup, but they have the same rights as any other citizen, including a speedy and public trial, and not being subject to cruel and unusual punishments.
The right to a speedy trial is an absolute joke in this country. But in this case I’d like them to actually get it because it means they’ll be in prison faster.
Is it cruel and unusual to exile them to a country that already has the system of government they’re trying to implement?
Tolerance goes both ways
Edit: for those downvoting. I’m saying fuck being nice to seditionist terrorists
Eh, there’s one additional way we can stop them. A landslide victory that puts her massively over the electoral college threshold would make a handful of compromised counties completely irrelevant.
It will cast doubt on the election process regardless. This is very dangerous rhetoric, and unfortunately there’s about 20% of the country that wants this.
it’s important that nobody sinks into complacency even if harris’s victory is looking like an absolute blowout towards the end. GOP absolutely WILL do literally everything they can to undermine the election. everything from 2020 plus more
Most people in America can’t do anything about that though. Only the people in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona.
Nah. Even if you are in a safe state, vote. Even if you are in a state run by weirdos, vote. Literally vote.
It worked in 2020. trump had more votes than in 2016 and he lost by even more. January 6th had no chance of success because it was obvious who won. Taking the capitol building doesn’t mean anything.
The supreme court doesn’t even mean anything without the consent of the governed. The British won the War of 1812 and literally burned the White House to the ground. They still had to leave because the US is so big that it’s literally ungovernable without consent of the population.
The British definitely did NOT win the war of 1812. Wtf are you talking about?
What’s the electoral college threshold? I was wondering just recently if there’s any percentage of popular that matters more than the electoral college.
The number to reach is 270 EC votes. However, it is very possible to reach that number while not winning the popular vote. That’s why certain states (such as PA, GA, AZ) tend to be the “battleground” states as they have enough EC votes to shift the election and usually aren’t reliably red or blue.
If I remember correctly, it’s theoretically possible to win the Presidency of the US while only winning something like 25% of the popular vote (though in practice, if you’re able to win the states to pull something like that off you’re also going to be winning the bigger states as well so your victory would look more like Reagan’s).
270 total electoral college votes. No, the popular does not matter, just the 50 individual states. They distribute their electoral college votes in different ways, each state gets to set its own rules.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
That’s not in the cards given the last 4 years. Remember we only won in the wake of a mass uprising, with most people thinking they were voting to defund the police, defend Roe, free healthcare, less war, legalization of pot, freeing the concentration camps on the border, etc.
We’ll be lucky if Trump’s campaign shitting itself and Biden dropping out are enough to compensate for the last 4 years of either inaction or making things worse.
I don’t think people voted for Joe Biden for those reasons. Except maybe defend Roe.
I talked to a lot of people in 2020, the younger voters absolutely thought that’s what they were voting for. You underestimate how low-information the average american is. They associated free healthcare or defunding the police with democrats, and thought Biden was running on those things.
they’re neck-and-neck in the polls; how do you think that this will happen?
is it because you’re one of those people who disregard polls?
Polls are going to be skewed tpwards the people that answer the phone calls from random phone numbers flagged Spam or Political.
How many have called you this cycle? How many did you answer?
There’s prediction markets and bookies making odds as well. People putting money on the line are probably a little more accurate than polls by themselves. Looks like people think the odds currently favor Harris, but not by a large margin. 50.9% chance for Harris and 47.1% for Trump (https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/08/09/harris-has-vaulted-past-trump-as-the-bookies-favorite-to-win-presidential-election/). IIRC, prediction markets significantly favored Clinton in 2016 right before the results came back though.
i’ve seen spam calls, but i’ve never seen political before and i suspect my demographic data will guarantee that i will never get a phone call from a poll worker.
i don’t doubt that polls can be wrong; i asked my question because i was confused by the other poster’s position
I take polls under advisement, though recent years have definitely demonstrated that there are issues with them. Regardless of their veracity, though, they are subject to shifting as time goes on.
they’re supposed to shift and that’s why it’s called polling; you’re taking action to measure that shift, if any/
No shit. They’ve only been saying it for years.
I think the UN should send in independent observers to the US to oversee their elections because boy oh boy are those Republicans working hard to cheat.
Watching Trump’s press conference from Mar-a-lago the other day, and hearing his excuses for why he isn’t out on the road campaigning, it struck me that the narrative that he’s moping around depressed that he’s losing isn’t the whole story.
He’s got Vance out pretending to campaign, while he and his buddies are sitting around coming up with plan B. He’s probably had calls with dozens of Republican governors and is getting teams of “alternate electors” together (the Stephen Miller interview on Ari Melber’s show made it pretty clear that they still see that as a perfectly legal strategy). Donald may know “it’s over” but that just means he’s going to get more desperate and we’ve already seen what desperate Trump can do with 2 months of prep, I’m not looking forward to seeing what he can do with 5 months.
I live in a mail in ballot state but I think people -especially in swing states with trump election officials- should call in sick to work on election day. Get some friends and be election observers. If you watch everything you’ll at least catch them in the act of whatever they’re planning. Bring water with you and help out. Even kids that can’t vote can do some things to help. Be an election volunteer if you can.
My crackpot theory is that he doesn’t actually want to win. I think he’s making so much money campaigning that he realized he could milk a couple more election cycles until the dummies get tired of him.
Nah. You’re describing the DNC. The charges DJT is facing are real. He needs the immunity and the ability to shut down the prosecutions. Not to mention how much MORE grift is available for a sitting president.
We know he needs the immunity, but I’m not sure he knows that. He’s dodged so many felonies at this point, he likely thinks he’s untouchable even if he loses. This is just speculation though, of course, based on my experience with my own maga family member’s tendencies to hand-wave away logic that makes them uncomfortable, especially when the topic is something that seriously affects them. You make some good points though. I think you’re right, but as I said, this is my loose crackpot theory xD
If he could strike a deal with the courts, that he doesn’t get prosecuted for any of this crimes… he would happily lose. More money in playing the victim.
Exactly. Grift for another election cycle while you further beta-test defrauding the elections, count on dem’s to not be able to close whatever loopholes you find, swoop in with a winning election theft strategy with Ivanka in tow as cover for Trump Sr’s advanced age and hail her as a true (conservative!) woman that can handle the presidency (unlike the bad brown skank monster), then close the elections permanently with Trump Jr becoming VP when Sr finally passes. Mass Civil unrest occurs and Ivanka steps down to return leadership to a strong man that can truly lead with an iron fist through the ensuing Civil War in true fascist fashion.
Of course, they would never get away with all of that (because average Americans ARE good people, and there are plenty of good people fighting this possible future), but IMHO this is probably close to their best wet dreams.
