No surprise there.
After Knesset members actually got up and angrily defended the supposed right to rape Palestinians and the finance minister lamented the fact that the rest of the world would condemn arranging for the death by starvation of 2 million Palestinians, there’s pretty much no low left that’s too low for the Israeli government.
New ad just came out from the Israeli tourism board:
“Visit Isreal: at least we’re not cannibals!”
Mmm…no
It’s “some random guy with a working moral framework, the ability to feel empathy, and some measure of respect for the rights of other humans and simple human decency calling a bunch of murderous xenophobic psychopaths murderous xenophobic psychopaths.” So it’s in fact nothing like that.
It bothers me that voters aren’t going to find support for Israel to be a disqualifying issue.
well, show me who you can vote for, that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in, who isn’t supporting Israel.
America currently has the choice of literal fascist takeover, or just milk-toast “liberal” policy.
I’m not so sure about that, it often comes on the side with a big milksteak boiled over hard.
To your first point, there are none unless you’re willing to vote third party.
To your second point, I disagree. Fascism isn’t some specter on the horizon. It’s already here, and the only choice is between the flavors that have been forced upon us.
In the US, milque-toast liberal policy is fascist. Look at the costs of health care and education, the astronomical spending on war, the patronage of the big banks and exemptions they receive for their crimes, and the deliberate and escalated impoverishment of the poor and milddle class. (Not to mention the continued and escalated militarization of the police.)
that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in
unless you’re willing to vote third party
To be abundantly clear, with the system as designed in the US, third party (presidential) candidates do not have any chance of “getting in” this election, let alone a “reasonable” chance (in certain areas, some options may exist for lesser political appointments).
Voting third party is at best a weak attempt to signal preference for future elections, but at worst a gift to whichever party or candidate you consider to be “most bad”.
By all means, protest vote in the primaries, campaign for candidates you believe in, and most importantly, discuss the issues that are important to you to help bolster public awareness, but please, PLEASE, don’t fall for the con that is voting 3rd party in the election.
I don’t know who your third party favorite is, but do yourself a favor and look at who is donating to their campaign, and what other campaigns those donors support - a lot of money is thrown at 3rd party candidates to draw votes away from credible political opponents.
That’s unregulated capitalism. You’re describing capitalism, not fascism.
In my opinion, you shouldn’t qualify or disqualify a candidate over a single issue. While it sucks that nobody on the ticket supports this particular view, there aren’t a lot of other constructive options available.
It’s like I said: two flavors of fascism.
You have the more civilized kind helmed by the Democrats, where people are oppressed and killed by poverty wages, lack of housing and education, militarized police, and cuts to the social safety net in favor of war.
And then you have the Trumpist flavor, where all of those things happen too and he says mean things.
The lofty speeches don’t make much of a difference to me when viewing what the two parties actually do.
You again eh.
The guy who wants people to vote for Trump…
Again, I don’t think anyone wants the Israel war
But, Trump is so much worse. It’s not even a comparison at this time.
Trump is literally raping women. And at this time, that’s the least of what he’s done
But I suspect you’re taking this approach because you know directly telling people to vote for Trump will get you down votes, but if people check your history, it’s clear that’s what you want…
A lot of discussion in some replies to this, but what I want to know is what you want people to actually do?
Do you think people should vote this upcoming election? If so, who do you think they should vote for?
What do think would happen if people reading this thread (and no one else, let’s not pretend we have any sort of real influence here) followed your advice? Would it actually make the world a better place?
I know full well I’m shouting into the void. My side has less than 1% of the vote every election. Nothing I say matters beyond the enjoyment of discussion.
The conservatives won and fascism is what we’re getting for it.
I just want people who call themselves liberal to take a moment and actually think about what Democrats do once they’re voted into power.
I know full well I’m shouting into the void. My side has less than 1% of the vote every election. Nothing I say matters beyond the enjoyment of discussion.
who the fuck are you voting for? Nosferatu?
On some level I like to believe many people think of it as a disqualifying issue but recognize that this is a bad time and a bad system to disqualify anyone.
That is entirely the fault of the faulty democratic system. Voters like to think they have the power but they don’t have much in America. They can’t even all swing to a third candidate and vote for them.
After this last primary, I can’t agree with you.
The Democrats had Marianne Williamson, who is by far a more moral and progressive candidate, and wasn’t suffering clear and public cognitive decline.
Zero votes.
The Republicans had Nikki Haley and a host of others, who will also some degree of asshole, weren’t nearly the same degree of asshole as Trump. (And also weren’t suffering very public cognitive decline.)
Zero votes.
Is the system bad? Yes. But folks who vote party every single time always seem to pick the worst candidates too, and it’s eminently clear that genocide and war crimes aren’t considered disqualifying factors in voters’ choices.
Partisans, in essence, vote for whoever NBC and Fox tell them to.
Not a probe to find the perpetrators, just who tattled. Classic.
Can’t wait to meet the Israeli Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.
This nice to have to keep people who say only “democracy in the middle East” and “not apartheid state” quite…
