The inside-the-law approach that works to some limited extent is public community rejection. Things like large groups showing up and standing with their back to the Nazis.

The method that has historically stopped Nazis like this involves getting some level of police cooperation and beating them up

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Let them march. A bigger problem is that a huge number of people seem to think they’re a thing of the past and don’t really exist in any strength. Let them prove otherwise.

You can’t suppress them into defeat anyway, we’ve tried that before.

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We can’t suppress them into defeat!? What?? That’s how the German Nazis were defeated! That’s how modern Nazis have been symbolically defeated, worldwide. Repeat after me: “We don’t serve you here.”

Any place, anywhere in the world, if an equal number of people stand up against them and for human equality, they run away with their tails between their legs. They’re fucking Nazis…

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There were several laws put in place in postwar Germany that specifically suppressed them. This was broadly effective, though I think the modern-day position of the AfD shows it was not completely so.

In the US, any such legislation would be struck down in court as unconstitutional.

So, it’s just not that simple.

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Newsflash: some number of people are absolute shitbags.

If you let them take over and run the show it’s gonna get real bad.

Nazis are absolute shitbags. They will always be around in some number. You need to always suppress them so they don’t fuck up the good shit we have managed to eek out.

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Right, so you start beating the shit out of them until they learn to shut the fuck up and stop showing up. Make them afraid.

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“We don’t serve you here.”

Yep.

  1. take picture
  2. post picture near register
  3. under sign saying “we prefer not to serve nazis”

(#3 sounds less harsh than it is in enforcement. #canadian)

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That’s how the German Nazis were defeated!

The German Nazis were defeated with overwhelming manpower & firepower, not passive suppression.

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They were defeated by actually standing up to them. That’s all I’m suggesting we do now!

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We didn’t though, we let them fester, just like the Confederates. We should have also, not let them fester.

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Actually, Ulysses S Grant clamped down very brutally on groups like the KKK during the Reconstruction Era, essentially continuing the civil war against the south in a sense. He ended up reducing their strength significantly and driving them underground.

Unfortunately, an idea cannot be destroyed with military might, it can only be fought by teaching critical thinking skills and sound information gathering and decision-making methods, so people don’t think so stupidly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_Act_of_1870

Note the line that says the law allows the use of the army to enforce it, that’s what Grant ended up doing.

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In Germany we (meaning other people, not me) usually organize counter-demonstrations.

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We used to shoot them when your country was them.

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Isn’t it very illegal to be one in Germany? Shouldn’t the police be arresting them?

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There are certain symbols (like the Swastika) that are illegal, but just believing you are a superior race isn’t against the law.

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When I hear nazis I just assume they are doing the salute and are using the symbols.

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We did that here. The media called us AntiFa and the cops tear gassed us and assaulted people with mobility aides. Then we started getting arrested and people who escaped were followed home by the Nazis. Knowing what happened I still would have gone, but I would have prepared better

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All protests should be armed protests.

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Is Nazism protected speech?

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It actively exploits the values of democracy to destroy it.

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Yes, unless there’s an immediate call for lawless action (like starting a riot).

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Story about the Jewish lawyer who helped the nazis get the right to march:

https://www.newsweek.com/story-jewish-lawyer-who-defended-free-speech-rights-nazis-1771393

Personally, I think it was a mistake but I’m Australian and happy not to have American freedom of speech.

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Thanks for showing me this story.

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From the government. Not from the rest of us.

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Do what punks did to keep them out of the punk scene. Make them feel afraid to show up. You do this by beating the shit out of every single one of them every time they show up or open their mouths.

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