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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday’s election.
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It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.
The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.
But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.
The USA has tried to make coups happen in Venezuela like half a dozen times or more over the decades, I just cannot trust anything America says about the internal politics of Venezuela.
Not that it matters what I think, America will do whatever the fuck it wants.
Surprised you’re getting downvoted. People must have a very short term memory. I’d wait a couple days for them to get full results. It took like a week for the 2020 election to get the full results and that’s in the US.
I’m on an instance that doesn’t allow downvotes and it kicks ass.
But people are goldfish when it comes to politics. They forget how the US tried to secretly arm groups supporting Juan Guaido so they could put him in charge like just a few years ago.
The US wants to open Venezuela’s natural resources, particularly lithium, to the West.
Literally the whole world except dictatorships says it’s rigged, it’s not about the USA.
Here are the results based on the voting receipts that the government doesn’t want to release
I’m Venezuela you can ask for a receipt of the votes for the place you voted at, the results have been compiled and made available by the opposition, Maduro got about a third of the votes, there’s a reason why he hasn’t released the numbers already.
Even in the US it can take a like a week to compile detailed election results. In the 2000 election, it took more than 30 days to settle the election. They ended up handing it to the conservatives and life has gone downhill for the US since. You may really believe it, but there are people in the US who thought Trump would win every state and have called it a steal ever since.
It’s definitely possible he stole it, it’s very in character, but the US has a vested interest in helping the opposition make up numbers and it’s very in character for them to help with a coup, too. I’m just going to keep an open mind for a couple more days probably, see if any more countries jump in being angry at Venezuela that aren’t US aligned or if any more evidence comes out.
Sigh. What about virtually every other country out there that is not a dictatorship saying it too?
I’m not saying I trust Maduro or anything, but the US making a statement makes me very suspicious about the truth of that, just based on history.
The US weighing in removes credibility to the claim that the election was tampered with.
What if…the US said Maduro won? Would that add any credibility to the claim that the election was tampered with? Is Lula any less legitimate just because his victory was recognized by the US? Or would you just dismiss it and look at other opinions, mainly in SA stakeholders who suffered under US-backed dictatorships?
Would it help if I said I knew someone from Venezuela who is adamant that Maduro cheated? My old coworker heavily dislikes Maduro
All US pawns. They said the same thing about the Soviets who brought a workers’ paradise to Eastern Europe until the capitalists finally overthrew them.
I suspect you are either too young to have even known someone that grew up in a Soviet state or you are just a fucking useful idiot.
Nice take edgelord. Living standards were quite low in the Soviet Union for the overwhelming majority of the population, and they had very little political freedom to imprpve them. Reforms were met with a coup attempt, and it fell apart into various states where even today many are not aligned with “the big spooky west”.
People like you make it harder to criticise the US for legitimate reasons.
Hell, “election monitoring” in South America is a pretty historically good reason to criticise them, but now anyone who wants to make this point has to grapple with being called a tankie, and we have to sit alongside statements like “the Soviets who brought a workers’ paradise”.
Gee, that might have happened if any functioning soviets actually survived the first couple of years of the USSR, and it hadn’t become a full-on counter-revolutionary state capitalist empire.
Edit: Actually looking at this person’s posts they appear to be sarcastic here. Sorry, but there are ways to do sarcasm that land, and this wasn’t it.
Ha ha ha you’re so funny.Or stupid. Or paid lol, because you just can’t be that ignorant lol fr.
But please continue mr zero awareness guy, at least nobody is going to fall for that level of bs.
You’re acting like only America says something about it. Only the most scummy countries seem to “believe” maduro.
No, I’ve just seen this kinda thing happen again and again, specifically with Venezuela. Sadly, the nation is getting used as a political battleground, so of course America and its allies are on one side and their rivals on the other.
Plus, the US has a long dark history of meddling in the politics of South American countries, this is absolutely the kind of thing it does to extert power.
This is not that.
Most of those failed interventions of Latin America mind you come from conservative administrations. Blinken isn’t a Neocon.
Maduro is corrupt as fuck and myriad independent nations and watchdogs corroborate the same point.
I’m probably getting downvoted here, but I agree with your statement of the US having had a problematic history of usurping power from democratically elected governments in Central and South America. You can at least see that some of the countries that support Venezuela’s election results are run by dictators. Hell, Cuba and North Korea wouldn’t be out of place on that list too. Considering that Maduro lost a lot of popularity after Chavez’s death, partly due to the welfare system taking a huge hit when oil prices fell and partly due to him showing opulence in times of hunger.
All of these things may not be damning, but it puts the man in a bad light and makes me wonder if he actually did cheat the system in a way that our own domestic wannabe dictator tried doing just 4 years ago.
Here are the results based on the voting receipts that the government doesn’t want to release
We also have overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts in Venezuela throughout his career.
Downvote actual facts if you like, you’re only showing your bias.
lol. You’re arguing that Blinken trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in the past is a whataboutism to any discussion of Blinken trying to do it again, right now even?
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic
Y’all cable news watchers use Orwellian talking points without a lick of irony. Wow
I don’t have any skin in this game, but what are the Orwellian talking points you refer to? I’m curious how this term is used and develops over time.
A raging asshole who is right is still right, despite being a raging asshole.
Oh my what an amusing and original observation, one never before uttered in the history of the internet.
You waste your gifted prose on us my good person, please go find a country to be the Poet Laureate for, I am sure there are several waiting on your reply.
Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news……
I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….
Details of a dozen or so coup attempts by us government
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv2tr51zb
Details of Blinken’s work history in the us government over this same period
Bias report on the jstor.org showing reporting credibility as factual and also detailing any of their bias etc
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jstore-daily/
If you believe western media and United States governments reporting on issues in Venezuela, you’re critical thinking ability is non existent.
I’m not an expert on Venezuela, but again, western media and the USA government has zero credibility on issues concerning Venezuela.
Absolutely, but if you were really interested in facts this information is not hard to find once you stop watching cable news…… I doubt you’ll read any of it but here is a random google search….
Your snark, arrogance and cynicism are unwarranted and inappropriate.
But I do appreciate your providing some info - I was genuinely curious and didn’t quite know where to find this evidence - initial searches did not turn up the kind of “overwhelming evidence” you claimed existed. I’m not for a second disputing the USA’s involvement in coup attempts or regime change in general - I think this is quite adequately documented. But your claim was that there is “…overwhelming evidence Blinken has supported multiple coup attempts” but the best you can do is to essentially say he’s guilty of this personally because he has worked for the US government.
That’s honestly pretty weak.
If you believe every protest is a CIA backed coup attempt then nobody can help you.
Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia are also asking for election data here, but you neglect to consider that.
You have this idea in your head that because you fully believe your news sources, that I am somehow in opposition to whatever your ideology on this issue is.
My goal is to point out that nothing western media or the US government has said or is saying is reliable on issues specifically concerning Venezuela, for at (the very) least the past three decades.
“I’m giving you a choice: either put on these glasses or start eatin’ that trash can.” ——-Nada, from the movie They Live.
Edit: Thank you so much to Kecessa for providing actually credible information - it definitely seems that there’s some election rigging going on.
For everyone who just scolded me instead of just presenting the data, that’s not helpful. When people are asking for data, just either provide that data or don’t. Your opinions hold basically zero weight.
My original comment below:
~~None of this “overwhelming evidence” has been presented to the public. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Opinion polls don’t count for shit. Show me proof of a fixed election and I’ll believe you, but right now this entire thing stinks of the US not getting to control Venezuela and being really fucking mad about it. ~~
I’m sure you’ve done tons of research into these claims and are certainly not just making a loud uninformed take
I’ve read a few articles. They’re all like, “we have sooooo much evidence that the election is rigged! Just so much!! But it goes to another school, so just trust me bro.”
I’m very happy to be proven wrong, if you have anything compelling to share, please do.
They don’t. And they don’t need to! Being rude at people who disagree with the US State departments official position (which is not propaganda) is good enough, because propaganda = opinions that are not in line with the US state dept.
They believe that “fact” so powerfully that theyll get angry at you and insult you. Other facts become unnecessary if the person saying them is untrustworthy. Uncomfortable truths, any thoughts about the US’s many, many efforts to control the global south may be terminated along with the messenger.
Besides people use Ad hominem because it’s just so easy
You can download the voter sheets that the opposition is presenting and investigate it yourself. Thankfully the AP already has (I trust them enough for this) and it indicates the government of Venezuela is lying
People should question the USA every time they talk about South American countries. The same as how people question China or Russia when they talk about bordering countries. Super power will do what they can to influence other countries and historical and recent events make it clear that the USA is willing to lie and defend its lies. So people have the right to not believe the USA.
It’s not whataboutism, it’s good to look at the history and motivations of anyone making claims like election fraud. US officials are saying it’s fake, the US has a long history of South American political interference, especially if there is even a hint of socialism.
So you saw Maduro’s disaggregated numbers and they check out. Share them, please, everybody else wants to see them too.
Nothing in @Doorbook@lemmy.world’s comment implied that.
Also…Why do you think so many American cities in the south west have spanish names?
Overwhelming evidence
I wonder why he didn’t present any of it then. Looks pretty Donald Trump-like to me
Evidence was literally uploaded by the opposition, and has been analyzed by multiple news organizations already who agree with their conclusions. Not to mention the exit polls and other available public evidence.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/masked-assailants-ransack-venezuela-opposition-134849213.html?guccounter=1
Here’s another organization that independently gathered many of the polling receipts with similar results:
The opposition leader is in hiding (who was barred by Maduro’s government for running, among many other tactics with government powers Maduro used to try to tilt the vote in his favor). Maduro has rounded up over 1000 members of the opposition already to try and prevent this data from being gathered and take more political prisoners. The Carter Center, who Maduro government themselves invited as a monitor, said that:
“Venezuela’s electoral process did not meet international standards of electoral integrity at any of its stages and violated numerous provisions of its own national laws.”
The only one fighting transparency and trying to hide results here is Maduro. These tallies were all stored on qr codes. Maduro could have released them at anytime and chose not to. Could have instantly been released the night of the election, as they were coming in if he wanted. Can’t believe people on here are still falling for this dictator’s bald faced lies.
From what I heard, the government released them on a website but it got hacked and shut down. Now he released them to the Supreme Court and invited the opposition to look at them, but they didn’t show up.
I don’t agree with them arresting opposing candidates and stuff like that, but I also don’t trust the US’s opinions on this matter. They’ve tried to coup Venezuela basically every year and every election lol. The opposition releasing their interpretation of data is like Trumps saying they should’ve won from their polling data in all the red states. Idk, it’s very easy to manipulate, especially with US help.
The government did not release them, and you’ve provided no source for your claim. Also, showing up to a courthouse as they’re all rounded up and being thrown in a jail? Give me a break. Many countries are calling for the release of the results, including leftist governments like Colombia and Brazil.
Because the official evidence is held by the incumbent government. The evidence we do have access to, from extensive exit polls by neutral auditors to the mandated voting station slips (small pieces of paper that each voter is issued giving them the electronic count so far at that station) both track a 60 - 70% lead for the opposition.
In response, instead of releasing the official report, the incumbent government has brutally crushed several protests (even killing protestors), arrested the opposition, and claimed victory. Not exactly the pattern of behavior of an innocent victor.
So release the official counts and let people compare their voting slips? Don’t arrest your opposition?
If it quacks like a dictatorship and stinks like a dictatorship…
Just to clarify, the evidence provided by opposition is not from exit polls. The evidence is genuine voting receipts from the machines that are supposed to be* guaranteed to each party’s site observers
*Opposition says many of their observers were removed without being allowed access to their polling site receipts to explain why they didn’t have them all
The electronic machines provide every voter a paper receipt that shows which candidate they chose. Voters are supposed to deposit their receipts at ballot boxes before exiting the polls.
After polls close, each machine prints a tally sheet showing the candidates’ names and the votes each received. Party representatives stationed at polling sites throughout election day get a copy of the tally sheet, and electoral authorities keep another one.
