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This is a precise depiction of both Lemmy and Reddit, surprisingly.

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It could in fact depict any forum, IRC, or organized online community.

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124 points

I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.

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Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

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Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?

That depends on the implementation.

Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?

That depends on the implementation.

Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.

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We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?

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3 points

ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.

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15 points

I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.

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Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?

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4 points

Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p

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40 points

And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.

Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.

Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.

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I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.

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11 points

Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit

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In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.

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No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.

I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.

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Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.

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That was what I was going to say.

That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.

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New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.

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1 point

There is script that marks entire fediverse for backfilling

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Why would such a bot need to be on a new instance?

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The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.

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See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private

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103 points

better mods

highly instance dependent.

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Yeah I mean look what instance this was posted on.

Probably they will ban me just for saying that.

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I can’t tell if you’re talking about .world or .ml and the funny thing is that both of those would accuse the other of being the bad one

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At least we have choices outside of those two, and open logs to peruse

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3 points

You are partly correct and I’m sure you can see what I mean by that.

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I have had a comment of mine removed from .ml for (correctly) indicating that hexbear is not a trustworthy instance.

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7 points

💢 AM I BEING DETAINED 💢

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DETAINED

Meh… Tha’s pretty much life.

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Yea I’m banned from commenting on several instances of Lemmy. Not really sure why. I can view but I cannot participate.

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8 points

Sh.itjust.works is defederated from some Lemmy instances, could be that?

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Yea, its just the same exact power hungry mod template as everywhere else.

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You can’t unseen the huge one problem that Lemmy has: lack of contents/people

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And the community that is here is, amazingly, somehow even worse than Reddit, on average, when it comes to being a hive mind that is wildly intolerant of any disagreement.

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I personally disagree, mainly because the interactions have much more depth than the same 30 unfunny comments that people make on reddit ex: this. Don’t get me wrong it happens here as well, just way less. I also see people back claims up with evidence here way more, it’s not always valid evidence but at least an attempt is made more.

The thing I like the best is the lack of self righteousness (ironic I’m making this comment on this post haha) that reddit has, that was my personal biggest complaint there. Like on reddit if there is an animal in a video in any way shape or form you can almost always find someone screeching about animal abuse, even when it is obviously not.

I of course have bias in favor of Lemmy and this is highly dependent on the community. I will admit Lemmy is super left leaning, which I like, but definitely supports your hive mind argument. Even though I lean left I think it would be healthier for Lemmy to have more of a presence from the right. Unfortunately with how the political landscape is today I think it won’t be very achievable but hopefully when we hit the post Trump era divisiveness will ease making coexistence here more achievable.

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That’s a little risky to say on this instance lmao

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My problem here is it being mostly left wing people, I am from the left, but I also want people from the other sides to be here as well, or else the whole thing will get one sided.

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I don’t care about that so much as the hyper specificity of not only “you have to be on the political left here” but “being to the left isn’t enough, you need to be this far left, and hold these specific views on politics, technology, etc.”.

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There probably are servers that try to be more tolerant or other opinions, but I think social media could be improved by something like in this video. I put a timestamp but TL;DW not just upvote+downvote, yes or no, but more diverse reactions like “partially agree”, “offtopic”, “you have convinced me”, “informative”, “misses the point”, etc.

So not just up and down, but left, right, diagonal and every which way to have a broader spectrum of human reactions instead of a binary one.

Additionally, add a more structured conversation flow depending on the community. A community for questions looks more like quora, a science community could maybe want options to add sources and have them aggregated in a thread, and so on.

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Why would you actively want evil?

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22 points

Catch 22. Just gotta start posting content

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I find enough content here. Have you blocked every instance?

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Good for you. At least it’s not enough for me, and for everyone who’s still using Reddit

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Yeah, in comparison, that’s for sure. But if they don’t join, they fulfill their own prophecy.

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lemmy now has more content daily than reddit in 2011, we’ll grow.

We’ve already grown faster than reddit

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8 points

There is substantially less content , but there is content. I don’t get everything I am looking for, but enough to keep me happy

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And searching for the said content

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lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable

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It’s as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.

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Yeah, Lemmy doesn’t block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.

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4 points

Couldn’t it? If an Instance owner so chose?

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Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads…

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As all sites should be. I’m on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don’t put nothing online you don’t want the world to know.

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I used to think like this, but it’s a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can’t have any expectation of privacy, it’s essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they’re not welcome.

Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn’t be trivial to violate someone’s privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.

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Reddit isn’t privacy-safe either.

I’d put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.

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also a gdpr nightmare

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Care to explain why?

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I’m assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances

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To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn’t a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don’t really bother me that much.

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not having e2ee bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.

i don’t expect it on lemmy though.

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