Bonus question: what email inbox client do you use?

ProtonMail. Works great for the most part.

Except their desktop “app”, which is total shit. It’s just a webview in an electron framework. If I wanted to keep a webview, I’d just keep a tab open in my browser. Or a separate browser window if I wanted to keep it separate.

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I’ve hosted my Mail with them for over a year, still have them as my backup. I wouldn’t really recommend them, as they don’t adhere to the standard protocols which infuriates me. As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge, you cannot use a proper client on phones, forget syncing of calendar and contacts.

There is more, especially for the non-mail products.

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as they don’t adhere to the standard protocols

To what standards protocols do you refer? (I’m honestly asking; I’m not very knowledgeable about email architectures.)

As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge

I thought that is kind of required simply due to the nature of their email service being end-to-end encrypted and with the decryption key being stored locally only.

Am I misunderstanding something?

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You’re not. The whole point is encryption so the bridge is a must.

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I meant IMAP, SMTP, POP3. It’s true that they do some encryption shenanigans, but firstly I don’t really see the benefit over just using encrypted SMTP and encrypted IMAP, and secondly we already have PGP for that, IMO it would be better if they made that more accessible.

Some people might not be bothered by this, but it bothers me a lot. Which is why I left. The reduction of usability is not tolerable.

Besides that, they also don’t support CalDAV and CardDAV (syncing of contacts and calendar), which is something that groupware absolutely needs to be viable for me.

You might disagree or not care, if so, good for you, there is definitely much worse than proton.

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If you use the paid version of proton you can use basically any third party client (I use thunderbird)

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This is exactly what I’m doing too.

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I am aware. But I feel like just a reasonable client shouldn’t necessarily be considered a premium feature.

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Have to use Gmail :/

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gmx.com

It used to don’t require phone number

I recommend it if you’re not using for privacy sensitive use cases, has both IMAP and pop3 for free

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It’s been years since I’ve used their service but back then they were notorious for tricking users into signing up for their premium service with dark patterns and making it very hard to cancel. Which is why I left them and have dissuaded anyone from ever using their services.

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Gmail

Works fine. The only thing I wish they supported is shared mailboxes.

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Outlook. Yeah. It works.

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