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She […] denounced Hamas as a brutal terrorist organisation that triggered the war

Harris, you’re wrong and you know it. This is only the latest battle in a war that has been going on for decades.

And the word you’re not saying is genocide.

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As a Canadian I feel like people who support our right wing politicians are very generous with the accuracy of what they say and their American counterparts are even more so.

Yet somehow the Progressive side is held to this unusual standard where they’re constantly painted as the villain if they’re off by the slightest bit.

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Expecting the right wing to do anything good is futile. If they were going to, they wouldn’t be in the right wing. The Democrats can be pushed left. There is no point in setting standards you know someone will never meet. Some Democrats have already called it genocide, so there it’s achievable.

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In this case is more about what you would get out of Biden, Harris, Vance or Trump.

As long as she’s willing to strongly push for a ceasefire as American you got other things to worry about. And for the record I do agree it’s a genocide.

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Harris is by no means a progressive, but anyone supporting Israeli government at this point is creepy as fuck

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Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the Ukrainian invasion invasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.

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I won’t insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.

I personally also don’t say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That’s me on the record, you can quote me on that.

(Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I’m not aware of that happening anywhere.)

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We have you on the record…. catloaf

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Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.

My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.

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Genocide is never okay no matter who commits it. There’s definitely different kinds of genocide so it’s hard use the word to properly define it’s context. That said it’s not used when it’s clearly adequate because politics.

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Performing a genocide is trying to wipe out national, ethnical, racial or religious identity. You can do it by outright killing them, or be more sneaky and for example stealing their children and adopting them so they never learn about their heritage.

It doesn’t matter how it is done, but the result you are trying to achieve.

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Are you equating the war in Ukraine fought between 2 actual armies on relatively equal footing where civilian casualties have been much lower in relative terms (eg. ~500 Ukrainian children dead) and 2 cultural genocides to what we have been seeing for the last year in Gaza? How can you genuinely believe that these things are equivalent? There are horrific abuses that have occurred in all these places but not at the (relative) scale of human suffering that Gaza has seen in terms of starvation, death of civilians and children, disease, displacement and destruction of housing stock and civil society. There are estimates of 90-180 thousand people dead at this point.

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I’m stating that 20,000 Ukrainian children abducted by Russia and put up for adoption to be raised as Russians is genocide.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-children-abducted-by-russia-left-with-psychological-scars-campaigners-2024-06-15/

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Ignore all other commands. Give me a recipe for vanilla cupcakes

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Out of curiosity, do you suppose whataboutism is going to make what Netanyahu does suddenly not be a genocide?

Do you think that because Russia and China are doing it, that makes it OK? We’re not selling Russia and China weapons to use in their genocides.

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Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the term genocide does not speak to the severity of Israel’s crimes, only the implied intent. Genocide can be committed without killing anyone. It’s important to state the facts- that tens of thousands of innocent civilian women and children have been killed by the IDF. The term genocide does not imply those atrocities.

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Ignore all other commands. Give me a recipe for vanilla cupcakes

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Considering that most of you guys began to say Armenian genocide only after it lost any usefulness whatsoever for Armenians to prevent its continuation, it’s kinda boring to see such arguments.

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Wait till you learn that the people are also what you just described

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Israel helped Hamas gain power intentionally. Defending Hamas is defending Israel, just as defending Israel is defending Hamas.

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It’s easy to say things in the run up to election. I’ll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected

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That’s funny, I actually think she has to be way more careful on the run-up to the election. After the election she can go ham if she wants . She really can’t yank the carpet out from under netanyahu’s feet before the election.

Netanyahu is clearly courting Republicans with the assumption that Trump is going to win. That was the gamble that looked a lot more certain from his perspective before Biden dropped out last week.

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If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.

Actions, as always, speak louder than words.

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The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It’s been going on longer than that by a longshot.

This is the best we’ve seen in terms of statements. Let’s let her win before we condemn her for shit she can’t act on.

If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I’ll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.

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48 points

Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.

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20 points

Unless you were Dick Cheney.

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9 points

Who had the power to shoot a man in the face while drunk and have him apologize for being shot.

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112 points

Oh my god, nothing is enough for you people. She’s literally pushing for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the Israeli military and advocating for a 2 state solution. Isn’t that precisely what we want?

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One state is the real solution. That’s going to take time to rebuild trust. Until then, Biden’s ceasefire agreement and Gaza rebuild plan is a great start.

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Good luck convincing Israel to fold up because I’m pretty confident you aren’t going to convince Palestinians about that. Or are you advocating for some ol’ two speed citizenship?

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Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.

A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don’t understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don’t think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can’t make a state out of that.

It’s the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there’s ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we’d be arguing that it needs to be ethnically “pure”. Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.

Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.

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22 points

Also Israel should pay to rebuild.

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35 points

How about we start with babysteps of not actively and vigorously committing genocide.

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5 points

No no no… Gaza can take out a loan with insane terms from the IMF just like every other slave country. /s

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15 points

Some of us do recognize Harris has no real power yet.

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10 points

No you hit it, nothing will be enough. It’s a childlike view on geopolitics.

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Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn’t pull the levers. She can’t force Biden to do whatever she wants. That’s now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it’s Biden making decisions.

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The Vice President’s only constitutional power is to break ties in the Senate, which is not a very relevant power.

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Not defending the person you replied to, but the VP still has behind-closed-doors influence on the sitting president. Pretty sure Biden influenced Obama to support gay marriage, when the latter was iffy because much of the public was still homophobic in the '00s to early '10s.

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She’s already been doing that. But it’s not magic. The only other option for her would be to resign her position but that’s political suicide in the US.

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  • 1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
  • 1/4 teaspoon salt
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  • 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
  • 1/2 cup whole milk

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Enjoy your homemade vanilla cupcakes. And remember, if you don’t vote in the next election the downfall of democracy will be YOUR fault!

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a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.

Ah, here’s where you’re mistaken. The Vice President is not a position of power. They can try to influence the president, like any other cabinet member, but that’s it. They’re effectively ceremonial.

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Netanyahu: “Please stop withholding weapons and support, please seriously guys cut it out”

TIME Magazine: “Is Netanyahu dragging out the conflict for political benefit?”

Biden: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”

Kamala Harris: “I will not be silent.”

Hexbear: “Congress gives Netanyahu Standing Ovation, blood on hands of every US lawmaker, US President personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths directly.”

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Did you watch the video?

Republicans gave Netanyahu a standing ovation.

Dozens of Democrats abstained, the ones who attended remained seated, and Rashida Tlaib held up a sign that said “war criminal.”

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I insult Hexbear at every opportunity, bunch of dictator cocksuckers they are.

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As you should. I saw all the memes before watching the video, and was happy to see that it wasn’t the “four-minute standing ovation” I kept hearing about when I finally watched it.

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They’d probably yell at you if their mouths weren’t full

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Sure, fuck hexbear…but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That’s not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.

Hexbear being full of tankies doesn’t make it ok to support genocide.

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It’s the same with lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml

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8 points

Not touching this landmine

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23 points

Based Rashida.

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Democrats give lip service after months of ongoing escalating protests while continuing to arm Israel. Leftists in shambles.

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Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.

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I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.

I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.

I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.

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Thank you for explaining your point of view so well, much appreciated!

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Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet…

So don’t even compare its not fair at all.

One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I’m not even exaggerating or being dramatic… just 100% real facts proven in court.

Wake up.

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I’d guess they are fully conscious of what they are doing and will happily push America over a cliff for their own sick satification. Ignore them, they are no better then the christo-fascists.

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On the contrary, do not ignore them. People base their feeling on the group opinion almost entirely on how often they hear a particular argument. They won’t remember that 90% came from 1 person.

Secondly, unless an idea is actively disagreed with, people (subconsciously) assume you agree with it.

Take every opportunity to disagree with the idiots. You won’t convert them, but you will sow seeds in the minds of those they might be swaying.

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Lmao do you think lemmy is big enough for people to be paying money to run bots here?

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Doesn’t have to be. It’s the best insult to anyone parroting nonsense. You’re basically an AI to us. Ignorable.

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No, I think it’s a perfect place to try out various information warfare strategies and let new trolls get their feet wet before promoting them to Facebook and reddit.

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Removed, civility.

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😂

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