yeah yeah well our broken country will still infect them like a mold so nanny nanny boo boo.
Yeah, our smug cloud has completely dissipated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmG64mVQV3g
I already see Canadian tankies complaining about how right-wing Carney is.
- fuck tankies
- i DO think it is fair to lament that the state of the world has anyone in a place where they must strategically vote for a fucking banker to protect you from something worse
I’m not sure I’m following but I want to, Carney was a banker which is bad but he is considered a necessary evil against Trump? I would totally understand that, as Canada might be really fucked without a good leader right now. I suppose this banker will need to prove himself, but if you an actor has been able to protect Ukraine (most of it) against Russia a banker doesn’t sound like a bad choice.
That aside, do people here think Carney is equally left/right as Trudeau was or do you think the liberals will have very different direction under his leadership?
my point was more that bankers are the embodiment of the banality of evil and pp is the embodiment of true mask off evil
So yes but actually no.
Carney is the Liberal Party, a centrist party, leader and therefor PM. Polliviere is the Conservative party leader and they have less seats so they don’t get to pick PM. If Polly got in, which is to say if his party had more seats than any other individual party, he would be Pro-Trump and his party in general is very Pro-Trump.
Most people agree that Trudeau was slightly more left than Carney, but many are upset that the New Democratic Party, the left and social democrat party of Canada, lost seats and have never held a PM position but honestly they would be crazy to expect anything else.
The identity crisis many leftist canadians were facing is whether they give up on NDP and vote Liberal or whether they allow a conservative PM. I’m sure they want empathy more than answers, right now.
you don’t have to be an authcom to see that carney is to the right of trudeau; he canceled the carbon tax, the capital gains tax hike, and is in favor of building more oil pipelines
no matter who won, canada would shift to the right. all we could do is decide by how much.
(and either way, all 3 of them - trudeau, carney and poilievre - are neolibs who support the genocide in palestine)
He cancelled the carbon tax because the name had been beaten up by the Conservatives. He promised to replace it with something similar but more palatable to the general public. I loved the carbon tax but agree that half the population was against it because pretty much they hated the name.
He explained in depth his reasoning for both of those decisions and if you listen to him its because the carbon tax failed to accomplish its goal and he is going to tackle the problem another way.He still supports the issue he is just trying a different solution.
For the cgt its because Canada has entered a trade war with its closest trading partner and he is planning to do massive investment in Canada and doesnt want a cgt hike disincentivizing investment.
Do you disagree with this reasoning?
I mean the guy is a straight laced professor of economics who wrote his thesis on the advantage of competition. He’s not exactly a working class hero. However, it could have been way worse and anyone who can’t see that just needs to look at the US to find out what happens when you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils.
Supporting lesser of two evils just gets you more and more evil, and eventually you get to Trump.
The implication that I believe you are missing is that all humans are to some degree evil, and that goes doubly so for the type of human that finds themselves working in the world of politics.
It’s tongue-in-cheek, and that was very well known when the phrase originally came out.
The subtlety seems to have been lost over time.
That phrase is aggressively fucking stupid.
Nothing is pure and virtue doesn’t matter. And even if virtue did matter, when you decide not to choose you are just as culpable with the result when it is the worse evil.
You can’t wash your hands if you had the power to act.
IMO anybody who promotes competition and antimonopoly is a working class hero.
People to the left of Liberals aren’t Tankies, but Tankies whinge that the winner is not left of Liberal. They would probably also whinge about an NDP PM. The only outcome I can see them celebrating is conservative victory. Tankies are scum of the earth.
The discourse on Lemmy however is a tendency to use “tankie” as some kind of othering identity marker. If I, an NDP and QS supporter, raise my hand and say “excuse me but Carney is a right wing Liberal, and I’m not comfortable with how the Overton Window has shifted to the right in Canada”, there is a clear narrative that will lump me in with the Others, right? Who by virtue of being tankies are therefore traitorous to Canada and therefore, hello, here’s the old red scare trope of “fellow travellers”, “pinkos” and “useful idiots”. Let’s not pretend that’s not the case.
To be fair, we basically just elected a Biden-style neoliberal who is slightly to the right of Trudeau. As affordability continues to gradually decline, our Trump (Poilievre) or a similar guy will be even more empowered. We’re basically a few years behind the USA right now and your right are actively trying to speed it up.
The liberal party should pass the electoral reform they promised so more political parties can compete on who can beat conservatives the best.
Stopping the conservatives is the priority… right? The liberal party honors their promises… right?
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
I’m on record as saying even if the US had elected Harris, we’d be right back on the precipice four years after. Maybe Trump, maybe someone else, but it would still be awful.
As badly as the world needs Luigi right now, he’s not the long term solution.
That’s why the 2-party system is so flawed. I used to be so gullible to think that if everyone keeps voting for the left party then the parties overall would sway more left in their future policies, but that is impossible in the capitalistic hellhole we live in.
I’m still a bit baffled it doesn’t work.
Like, the Left not doing enough SHOULD lead the right to decide “Dang, we need a message that appeals. Let’s blame the rich, and champion power over corporations!” But…instead they blame nonsensical things, promise nothing, and appeal to hatred, and get more than one vote.
That should just…never happen. That faction should be gonezo, making plenty of room for an independent party.
It’s because of this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismogenesis
It’s like being on a see saw, trying to get higher, with both sides doing extreme polar opposite actions eventually. Momentum is part of it. The idea is complex and the wiki doesn’t do it justice, but it’s fine.
The effect causes two well-meaning individuals having a conversation to ramp up different styles, resulting in a disagreement that does not stem from actual difference of opinion.
The right just blaims the problems created by the rich on minorities like migrants, trans and homosexuals. That makes them look like they actually care about the people being hurt by the system, however also allows them to gain support from the rich. The rich do onw a lot of the media, which has massive influence on the vote.
The left party also knows this, so they usually do some minor things, which do not change the system too much in the hopes on not being hurt by the rich.
Oh and both parties are deeply corrupt.
Sure, sure, but, if politics were sane, Carney would have been the conservative nominee and there would have been no fear of fascism.