For those who’re currently looking for a nice new device: shown are (from Top Left to Right):

  • NovaCustom (NL)
  • Star Labs (UK)
  • System76 (US)
  • Juno Computers (US)
  • UbuntuShop (BE)
  • Slimbook (ES)
  • Tuxedo Computers (DE)
  • Entroware (UK)
  • MiniFree (UK)
  • Nitrokey (DE)
  • Laptops with Linux (NL)
  • Purism (US)

Not mentioned but also selling Ready-to-use Linux computer:

  • Dell
  • Lenovo
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I think the answer is yes. Last time I did a survey of options a lot of them seemed highly unreliable. Framework was one exception but… unfortunately I think you kinda just have to like the framework idea. The massive premium you pay there just doesn’t make financial sense unless you actively (ab)use your hardware such that it might really fail within the useful lifetime of the processor. (Ie I can buy two laptops for the price of one framework, so…why not just do that if the first fails?)

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They’re all shitty clevo laptops

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Well, the quality of most laptops fell enough in the last decade, that the clevos are decent now. Also, fuck thinkpad part rejection, I’m definitely not buying a (edit: new) TP.

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would you mind elaborating on the part rejection? i am not sure what is meant by that

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ThinkPads refuse to work with non-Lenovo batteries.

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I beg to differ, i have bought clevo w650sj back in the day when it was produced, it works great to this day, just added ssd and ram and it works great with opensuse tumbleweed and windows 11 dualboot, i use windows in dual boot because i need adobe and flashing software for obscure chinese phones and flashing software to revive bricked usb sticks

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That’s not true! Some of them are Tongfang devices. 🥴

It’s true those companies have to overwhelmingly work with ODMs, doesn’t necessarily make the devices shitty though.

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Starlabs design their own.

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They’re also insanely expensive

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Because they design their own, yes. That’s how economy of scale works.

To benefit from it you either need to sell an absurd amount of stuff or buy from those who do.

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Framework:

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Lenovo allows now. U can opt out of windows 11 and save money. I believe they installed Ubuntu. U can reinstall with Linux mint or Pop OS if u like the feel of windows.

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Apparently either Ubuntu or Fedora. Given you even save money it’s quite a good offering; although you may get better repairability or hotline support with one of the others.

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Computers are fine yes, but I’m still waiting for a Linux phone with not-shit specs LMAO

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Every 6 months I check to see if they’ve figured out VOLTE on PostmarketOS, or Sailfish (my dream OS tbh) on community ports. And then I cry and angrily tell people how Microsoft destroyed Meego until I’m told to hush

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The Software isn’t fully there yet for mass adoption (Your mileage may vary, but the general expectations for a modern daily driver are pretty high), at least not for anyone but enthusiasts and developers. If there’s something like a PinePhone 2 it will probably yet again designed to be relatively cheap despite low production volume, so as many potential developers as possible can afford one.

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If it can handle my banking app (local credit union) and occasionally play YouTube I’m good tbh

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I get by pretty well just using my bank’s website. If you need the bank’s app for something like occasionally depositing checks, maybe you could keep your old phone in a drawer with your checkbook.

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A lot of financial apps require Play Protect and attestation. I had to fight for months to figure out how to spoof the integrity check so I could deposit some stupid checks.

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More importantly good software, Mobile Linux still sucks

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