Can someone remind me why we stopped using Firefox a while back? There was some piece of news that broke everyone’s trust, but I can’t remember what Mozilla did. Was it a change in their user agreement?

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Who is this “we” you talk of?

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Who is this “we”? I still use it, never stopped.

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Can’t come back to Firefox if you never leave in the first place

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I come back to it every morning wait no, I don’t close my 1000+ tabs or shut down my Windows. Never mind.

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The thing is, I never have. Chrome is absolute hot garbage and spyware, all the Chromium forks are all flawed and bugged and still feed into Google’s dominance because of engine and stupid Manifest bullshit. Firefox, despite all the stupid things Mozilla did and still does just works the best and is not Chromium.

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Can you elaborate on the manifest bullshit thing?

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New Chromium framework for browser extensions that severely limits their functionality. It neuters adlockers.

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Here, this should help. tl;dr: Google updated how Chrome security works and it broke apps like every adblocker at the time.

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It didn’t break adblockers “at the time”. It broke them intentionally. That was by design. Google is an advertising company dabbling in other areas. They don’t want a browser that can properly block their primary revenue.

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It was intentional to block/break adblockers. Google is worlds largest advertiser…

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Understood, that’s something to be expected by Google, but complete shit.

However, adblockers still work these days - see Vivaldi, so they found a workaround?

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Google sells it as an updated extension framework to improve security, privacy, and performance of extensions… But it also nerfs adblockers ability to block all ads.

There are some forks from chrome that haven’t implemented the new manifest thing. So if you really need to, look for those.

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Any suggestions?

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Honestly, as a “non-power” Firefox user, the only issues I’m experiencing is when Google purposely slows down or messes with me simply because I use Firefox (e.g., YouTube).

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Dunno, Youtube works fine for me, watching without account. I don’t use anything else from Google, so can’t say if anything else is shit.

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When? There have been a few times people stopped using Firefox in large numbers.

One of them was when Chrome first came out. Firefox (and every other browser) at the time ran every site in one process. As sites became more reliant on Javascript, which was usually poorly written, that meant any one tab having a problem made other sites and even the browser’s own UI unresponsive, or sometimes crashed the whole browser. Chrome’s multiprocess model was a revelation. Firefox didn’t get its own implementation until 2016.

Recently, there’s been some movement away from Firefox due to Mozilla making decisions people don’t feel align with open source, the open web, and privacy. The one that has me looking at forks is the planned addition of terms of use to the browser. Terms of use are for an ongoing relationship between a service operator and a user; Firefox is local software I’m operating myself on a computer I own. Its fine for optional online services like Sync to have terms of use, but the browser should work without those.

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That’s what I was remembering, the terms of use.

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I asked ChatGPT is similar question earlier this week. This was the answer.

While Mozilla has not been found to sell user tracking data in the conventional sense, the introduction of features like PPA (Privacy-Preserving Attribution) and changes in privacy policy language have understandably caused concern among users. These developments suggest a shift towards balancing user privacy with the need to support advertising models. Users prioritizing privacy should stay informed about these changes and adjust their browser settings accordingly.

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Can’t write your own comments?

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but why? why did you do that?

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I asked a fox that was actually on fire. It said “AIYEEEEEEE!” I trust it’s answer more than chatgpt.

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How much of that is true? What did they sell? Is the conclusion even valid, given the (popular) alternatives?

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We did?

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