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Oh noo. Anyway…

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I can’t think of many companies I would be less willing to buy home automation tech from than Google.

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i am surprised that they haven’t canceled the program already

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There is more home shot for them to create new teams. Once they get through everything is when you have to worry about your Google water heater program being cancelled.

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TBF, over 15* in Germany I’ve only seen a couple of actual thermostats. The vast, vast majority use a valve on each radiator. There are electronic solutions for the radiators, but sticking a Nest on the wall is going to do nothing for someone unless the customer installs specific hardware that the Nest would have to support

*edit : years

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In the Netherlands, almost all houses have a thermostat. I don’t know anyone that doesn’t have one

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I haven’t been in many private houses in the Netherlands. I could only speak to Germany

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Those “valves” are, in fact, thermostats. They use thermal expansion of wax to open/close the valve to get to their set temperature. Settings 1-5 are 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 Celsius.

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Yes, but they are not electronic and they don’t reflect the temperature of the room like a wall thermostat does.

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They don’t (usually) display the temperature but they definitely sense it, and react to it. When the sensed temperature is at or higher than the set temperature, the valve will be closed, if it’s lower it will be opened. Mere valves can’t do that.

That’s what a thermostat is: A negative feedback control system regulating sensed temperature towards a setpoint, and keeping it there. They’re simple, inexpensive, reliable. Yes having the temperature sensor right next to the radiator isn’t ideal but unless the room is quite large that’s not an issue. Also with large rooms you probably have more than one heater and thus thermostat. And you could, in principle, put the thermostat far from the heater but I’ve never seen that done.

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I built a thermostat with a Wemos D1 mini and a relay module about 10 years ago.

Still use it today integrated with home assistant and can turn the heat on and off while away from home. It’s been reused across three boilers, no parts replaced.

It was a really fun project and I had virtually no experience with Arduino when starting out. Would recommend it to anyone.

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Aren’t there a lot of split units in Europe? Here I just needed an IR blaster to make my AC(s) “smart”.

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AC is not common in Europe. There’s a variety of heating systems: gas boilers, direct electric heating, district heating, etc. Heat pumps are a growing market though.

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