Women who transitioned decades ago feel their safety and security has suddenly been removed
Last week’s supreme court ruling sent shock waves through the UK’s trans community.
The unanimous judgment said the legal definition of a woman in the Equality Act 2010 did not include transgender women who hold gender recognition certificates (GRCs).
That feeling was compounded when Kishwer Falkner, the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is preparing new statutory guidance, said the judgment meant only biological women could use single-sex changing rooms and toilets.
As far as I understand, trans people are still a protected class under other statutes on the UK, but basically just don’t count for any laws like “50% of company board members must be women to receive this tax break”.
Which, idk, seems reasonable to me.
but basically just don’t count for any laws like “50% of company board members must be women to receive this tax break”.
Which, idk, seems reasonable to me.
I have no idea how that’s reasonable. The point of such laws is to promote equality. And even if you choose to count trans women as a completely unique third category (which you shouldn’t…the word “women” in “trans women” is there for a reason), they are certainly a minority gender, so counting them for the purpose of pro-diversity incentives seems like a no-brainer.
Trans women experience misogyny. Most transphobia is rooted in misogyny. If you’re subject to misogyny, you should count towards female hiring quotas.
The Guardian shedding crocodile’s tears? Boohoo, we spend years vilifying trans people and now look what happened…
The argument is that the guardian is a fucking piece of shit terf rag that platforms the worst of the worst while pretending to be left of center.
And any occasion is a good occasion to remind them to do better.
Can someone clarify, which rights? To use this toilet instead of that toilet?
Oh, you know, the right to being legally recognized as the gender on your official Gender Recognition Certificate, which cost money and was issued by the federal government (and was explicitly stated on government websites to be legally equivalent to being born the stated gender).
Federal government in the UK? The UK isn’t a federation, so doesn’t have a federal government.
Women being forced to enter men’s bathroom submit themselves to staring and danger of harassment
What do you mean “what do you mean by woman”? The women who are the focus of this article and this comment thread.
The centrism fallacy:
A: I want B to be erased.
B: I want to exist. Fuck off.
Centrist: Now now don’t be rude. Let’s find some middle ground. A wants B to stop existing and we must respect all opinions. B, do you have a compelling and reasobable counter-argument for your right to exist? Be civil.
At what point did I say you as a centrist am saying that trans people don’t exist?
Except B here is the centrist position. If you actually look at political dialogue it’s more like:
A: I want B to be erased.
B: I want A to be erased.
Just look at all the guillotine-posting around here for examples.
For literally anyone whose appearance doesn’t match their birth certificate regardless of if they are cis or trans.
If their passport doesn’t match their appearance, would that be safe for travel in less welcoming countries? Would it allow them to travel at all, if it didn’t match their presentation? Isn’t that the whole point of a passport? There is no reason for this kind of legal ruling apart from offering a way for bigots to practice bigotry. Nobody will be safer, but trans people will be more at risk.
Someone can present anyway they want, that doesn’t change their biological sex. If some countries look at your passport and think you look like a gender that doesn’t match their biological sex, so what?
So your middle ground is to not give passports to trans people that allows them safe passage. Literally, what passports were designed to do.
Why do you think sex is listed in passports? Do you think it is because it is important to understand the reproductive capabilities of the traveller or is it a data point that corresponds with appearance, like eye color?
I’m trying to imagine a scenario outside maybe immigration where a country a traveler visits would need to know your “biological sex” or “birth sex”.
I hate it when European countries play “who can emulate the US the fastest”
Nah, that doesn’t apply in this case. The UK is a world leader in transphobia, acting not because the US does things, but because they’re entirely transphobic on their own.
Uh, that varies wildly state to state and person to person here in the US. California even has division among acceptance, there are significant portions of people on LA and SF who’d love to see all these things repealed. Social media is a helluva drug.
She donated £70,000 to the people that pushed to pass this bill.
In the words of Pedro Pascal, she is indeed a “heinous loser”
From having lived in several countries in Europe, including the UK, I would say that Britain is the closest we have here to the US when it comes to being a deeply flawed Democracy, possibly worse than the US since unlike it, Britain doesn’t even have a written constitution, so just about everything can be changed with a law passed by a simple parliamentary majority (of 50% + 1) and as the UK has a First Past The Post electoral system said majority can be had with a mere 34% of votes cast (the current government has such a parliamentary majority with only 33.7% of votes), which given the typical level of Parliamentary Elections abstention over there is less than the votes of 1/4 of voters.
Britain has wonderful propaganda helped by some really weird elements like the local elites sending their children to schools were they learn the fine arts of “managing apperances” (learned behaviours which in many other countries would be considered dishonest and deceitful) plus a media industry which is World class (probably the best Theatre industry in the World, IMHO) often used to project a very good image of the country (its almost a joke how every couple of years, almost like clockwork, out comes a new film about WWII portraying Britain as a great country), so from the outside most people have a good impression of of that country, but if you’re living there and get involved in Politics and really learn about their system, the more you learn the less Democratic it seems.
