The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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Well, constitutionally, they can’t for whatever that’s worth now.

That bold faced liar can go right to hell.

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Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.

I’m personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.

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Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it’s our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.

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There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.

Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.

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Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.

This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people’s doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts – especially in blue areas – are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.

Edit to add: You’re also not protecting your “property” in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you’re going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight – especially in your own home.

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Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don’t recognize the country right now.

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I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal

It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer–including postal carriers–is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.

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Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.

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14 points

Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren’t warrants for the 4th amendment.

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10 points

Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.

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Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.

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Unfortunately wrong. The marshals work for Pam Bondi at the DOJ. Still under the control of the executive.

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5 points

Sounds like something an illegal alien would say… /s

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108 points

Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.

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79 points

Silently supporting this… After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny… Well it’s freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been

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24 points

SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers

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My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It’s never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.

Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She’s moved farther left.

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16 points

Yeah I’m seeing people at the range becoming a lot more diverse and I’m really glad they’re getting the practice in and not just the firearm.

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24 points

Right fucking here. Notice they’re picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.

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You’re going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the “find out” part is

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9 points

What’s the alternative? Stay silent and let her disappear to the El Salvador death camp? Take a few of them with you.

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Yes, I’m prepared to die. And that isn’t a knee-jerk macho reaction. I’ve put a great deal of thought into this.

Look, it’s easy for me to say, a middle-aged man who has lived life. Been a few times where I thought, “Shit, this may be it. Can’t say I have many regrets and this day is as fine as another other.” I understand that younger folks want to play out the odds, I would have felt the same in my 20s or 30s, maybe into my 40s.

But at some point you have to draw a moral line in the sand. Literally say, “I’ll die before I allow this.” I will not allow unidentified, warrantless, masked men into my home to kidnap my (legal alien) wife. I see no benefit in going quietly. After all, American cops have taught us by example, if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you. It’s the orge’s choice, die fast or slow. Begging and pleading only gets you killed slower.

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18 points

Right here.

Shoot 'em in the dick.

Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that’s gonna drop 'em instantly. Can’t walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.

Also, I’m a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y’all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.

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What lists do feds put you on for joining those

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No clue, since it doesn’t seem to stop you from getting NFA items approved.

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Based on your instance, I’m going to have to assume you’re Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state. Some of the 2a people love going balls deep on authoritarian cock not all of us.

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8 points

We’re here.

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100 points

Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.

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Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.

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23 points

The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They’re here.

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1 point

And also out of Janeway. Save us, Captain; we need you now more than ever!

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11 points

Shit, Republicans would re-crucify Jesus as woke and harboring criminals.

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uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections

…That’s not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.

Journalists don’t need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don’t print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they’re lies and falsehoods. They didn’t find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they’re making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren’t going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it’s a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn’t do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn’t changed that.

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25 points

Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.

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You can go exercise your rights too.

Learn to shoot, might not be long before they’re kicking in your door.

I’m not going to some El Salvadoran death camp. If I’m gonna get killed by my own government, I’m going down swinging. Maybe I’ll take a few of the bastards with me.

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12 points

No no those guns were to make sure they don’t end up on the bottom.

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Why?

Are you unarmed and regretting your anti gun political beliefs as you run head first into this brick wall of reality?

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12 points

Your mistake is thinking that the media in the US employ journalists. They’re oligarch controlled propaganda machines.

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Not great

Hey that 60 Minutes producer quit because he couldn’t run the show independently anymore, so apparently sometimes oligarchs didn’t have complete control yet

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So… where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?

Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?

There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.

Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

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See they are not coming for their guns, so there does not appear to be a problem. Yet.

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Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.

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