The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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Reminder that many states have “STAND YOUR GROUND” laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn’t produce badges or a warrant.

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Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or “accident”) in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.

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it’s encouraging to see Americans who still believe the law means anything. I hope you manifest it back into existence.

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So… where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?

Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?

There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.

Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

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Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.

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See they are not coming for their guns, so there does not appear to be a problem. Yet.

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Well, constitutionally, they can’t for whatever that’s worth now.

That bold faced liar can go right to hell.

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Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.

I’m personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.

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Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it’s our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.

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There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.

Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.

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Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.

This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people’s doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts – especially in blue areas – are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.

Edit to add: You’re also not protecting your “property” in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you’re going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight – especially in your own home.

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Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don’t recognize the country right now.

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I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal

It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer–including postal carriers–is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.

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Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.

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Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren’t warrants for the 4th amendment.

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Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.

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Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.

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Unfortunately wrong. The marshals work for Pam Bondi at the DOJ. Still under the control of the executive.

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Sounds like something an illegal alien would say… /s

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Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.

They have no legal protections while breaking the law.

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Problem is… It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That’s seems like lose lose situation.

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I mean, if you’re going to die anyway, might as well take some assholes with you.

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And dying in a concentration camp in El Salvador is a lose win situation

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Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i’d say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.

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