230 points

“stolen” is such an exaggerated misrepresentation…news organizations should really do better. When you steal something from someone, the owner loses access to it. She just liberated public research.

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When a regular person makes something available that shouldnt be behind a paywall to begin with it’s stealing. When a billionaire or company uses ai to gather data from paid sources or just straight out plagiarises it’s just maximising profits.

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Hey hey hey, hold on just a second. It’s not called “maximizing profits”, we don’t do that! It’s called ✨innovation✨

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17 points

disruption 🤌

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4 points

Using public information to create something new is not even a little the same as copying private information and then making it public.

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Also I have met people who have published some pretty important papers, most of them use scihub on a weekly basis, and none of them care that their papers get “stolen”. And they all have some strong opinions about Elsevier.

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11 points

These articles were stolen, by the paywall operators. Elbakyan rescued them from the thieves. 🎉

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This is why I hate the recent trend where people are saying “If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”

“Piracy”, or more accurately “copyright infringement” was never stealing. What you’re doing is violating the government-granted monopoly on copying something. That’s so different from stealing.

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I totally agree that she just liberated it. But since many lawsuits said she was “stealing” from them, and people who don’t know the details at first glance may think that too. So I think the headline is correct in a news sense. And the article is very accurate and favorable of her.

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I realize this is an older article from 2016. But it’s just so good, I had to share it in case some here aren’t familiar with her. Her name is Alexandra Elbakyan and she’s the person behind Sci-Hub, a library website that provides free access to millions of research papers, regardless of copyright, by bypassing publishers’ paywalls in various ways.

And she’s my personal hero. :)

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Thanks for sharing!

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“People often say to me, ‘You don’t pay the authors. You don’t pay the reviewers. You hardly print anymore. The Web is free. Why do you charge?’” said H. Frederick Dylla, the former director of the American Institute of Physics and board member of the Association of American Publishers. “It sounds like a compelling argument. But it actually isn’t.”

Albert Greco, a publishing expert at Fordham University who is working on a book about scholarly publishing, said those making that argument are forgetting everything they learned or should have learned in economics class.

“There are costs,” he said. “Does The Washington Post have a paywall?”

Yes.

“So is it fair then if some high-school student wants to really follow the Supreme Court and doesn’t have the money to pay?” Greco said. “Life is a bitter mystery. We can’t give everything away for free. It’s not that kind of country.”

These assholes don’t even have a better reason for fleecing everyone than base greed, and they don’t try to hide it.

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The existence of publishers for scientific literature is completely unnecessary in the modern era. They exist only to make profits to continue their existence. They don’t actually provide value anymore when research institutions can just conduct peer review and then let researchers self-publish.

They create negative value (a bottleneck) by limiting who can access research for just… aggregating and hosting articles.

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wouldn’t it be funny if I slapped in a few ssds into an old desktop I found on the side of the road and hosted the entirety of human knowledge from it

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YOU wOULDN’T
DOWNLOAd A
CIVILISATION

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‘You don’t pay the authors. You don’t pay the reviewers.

We can’t give everything away for free. It’s not that kind of country.

Instead, he just takes everything from authors and reviewers for free. Is he living in a different country?

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No give, only take!!!

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20 points

“It sounds like a compelling argument. But it actually isn’t.”

Well, I’m convinced!

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11 points

Refuses to elaborate

Sues

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18 points

Yeah lmao, that’s the worst possible argument he could give I think

“Have you forgotten your economics class?” And then compared public research to a private newspaper

Like, lmao

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10 points

Elbakyan is an immeasurably more virtuous, noble and honorable person than these Dylla and Greco worms.

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“Does this for profit news agency require money for information? Then surely academic research needs to require money to get the info as well! Nevermind that public funds are involved with a lot of research initially where news orgs don’t have that, we need to make a profit cuz reasons!”

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3 points

That can’t sounds like won’t

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I could almost sympathize when it came to paper publishing. Because the cost to publish was high, and not a lot of people buying. But now with electronic formats, yeah, they are total assholes in the current sense.

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93 points

Stolen papers. Absolutely. Stolen by corporations.

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55 points

I wrote one of those papers. The fuckers charged me $1000 to publish it as open access, then other journals download it and stick it on their websites and charge $60 to read it. What a joke!

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21 points

Ignorant person checking in with probably a dumb and oversimplified question, but what prevents you and other science researchers from posting your writing independently? Why must you submit to these corpo controlled publications?

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If you don’t get published, you don’t get cited. If you don’t get cited, it appears your work isn’t important.

That said, every researcher I’ve emailed requesting a copy of a paper gladly supplied it, and many put them up on their uni sites.

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That’s such a fuckin’ racket!

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As someone in science that has used this many times, I can’t emphasize enough how much this has accelerated research in the modern era. I am so grateful for her work.

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A huge aspect of this also is that it disproportionately benefits academics and students in parts of the world where there is less institutional access to journal subscriptions. That is to say that SciHub has been a significant force for democratising knowledge and countering historic inequities.

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Yep, I just found out about it recently because I was doing research on a project. I had heard, but never explored or looked into, sci-hub. I had no idea about it. I don’t know how I missed it all of these years!

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4 points

Sadly no longer updated but I think libgen and some other services are filling the gaps.

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Yeah, I was bummed to find out it’s no longer updated. But there are so many articles that it’s still helpful and great. And she still is holding the flame by keeping it up. I’m checking out libgen right now actually.

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