Summary
Shortly after midnight early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court handed down a brief order forbidding the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelan immigrants from the United States without due process.
The ACLU claims “dozens or hundreds” were allegedly given an English-language document, despite the fact that many of them only speak Spanish.
The Supreme Court ruled the government must give any immigrant “notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”
The Court’s one-paragraph order states that “the Government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order.”
Though it is just one order, Saturday’s post-midnight order suggests that the Court may no longer tolerate procedural shenanigans intended to evade meaningful judicial review.
They forfeited their power by making the President basically immune to prosecution, then they get all offended that he will ignore their orders.
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This is what drives me crazy.
Ok, the president is immune, the people that execute his orders are not.
If the courts started holding people under the president accountable for their actions there would be a change in the wind.
Yes, for the defeatists, holding those people accountable is complex and the president would just pardon them but, it would start a real process of the branches of government holding each other accountable.
Hes not even immune, they get to decide what an official act is. It depends on how complicit they or how much the current situation plays into their own goals and each justice is an individual. It’s a fight, every where. Nothing is black and white, but most importantly, nothing is final.
Since it’s the court that decides what’s official, I feel that disobeying their order would be considered unofficial, since it’s not following the rules, right?
Technically they made themselves the arbiters of what constituents official duties of the president.
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
Gives the President full immunity because it’s the [R]ight thing to do, complains when he stops listening to them.
It’s all the same attitude from shitty people.
Irrelevant to this discussion but
Buys a house next to an airport, complains about aircraft noise.
Buys a house next to a night club, complains about loud music at night.
With the housing crisis in some countries people just have to accept all the housing they can get or live on the streets. Doesn’t mean they cant complain about noise.
Actually prosecuting a sitting president was always nearly impossible. The immunity thing has to do with what happens after the president is no longer in office, doesn’t it? Also, he only has absolute immunity for official acts. So then the question is what constitutes an official act.
And realistically the Supreme Court will eventually reverse itself, assuming that the democracy somewhat survives another decade, which is a good question. Because their ruling about absolute immunity just made no sense. But even if you think it did make sense, there are so many cases that have to go to court to be resolved. If the courts rule against a specific action and the president reads the court order and then does the bad action anyway, does it count as official? I think we can argue that it doesn’t, because the courts specifically clarified that it’s not allowed. But the president’s attorneys would argue the opposite. So then it has to go back to the Supreme Court.
Assuming Trump stays in good health long enough to leave the White House, I think it’s unavoidable that the above situation will occur.
“I swear if you blatantly disregard like 12 or 13 more rulings and we’re totally gonna get super duper serious!”
-SCOTUS I guess?
“Signals”, “might”.
Next up is the wagging finger, furrowed brow, and tersely worded letter.
I’ll believe it when he suffers literally any consequences.
One of the Supreme Court judges will go to Trump’s house and beat the crap out of him
I wish Ginsburg were still around. She was old and weak but I don’t think she would turn down the opportunity to shank this fucker. And the mental image of it brings me perverse pleasure.
Stop elevating that woman. In her 27 years, she only hired a single black clerk. Her refusal to step down in ailing health ensured the republicans got a SCOTUS pick. A stubborn, racist geriatric clinging onto the power of the democratic party - only to lose it all and shit on your entire legacy: where have I heard this one before?
Never trust an official of the United States of Amerikkka.
“Keep this up, and I swear we’re gonna leave a very harsh voice-mail on your phone!”
