So a recent post garnered some comments and reports for being AI art. In light of this we should all have a little conversation about how AI generated images should be handled in the future.
I think we all agree that AI images that are “garbage” or don’t add anything should be removed, but clearly some feel very strongly that all AI art should always be removed.
It should be noted that the rules as written and as agreed on by the community does not blanket ban AI, it merely says AI art should be avoided, while many other rules say no this or that instead.
Things to discuss:
- Does it matter if an image is AI? Does it always matter?
- What about images that are AI generated, but have been modified by a human?
- What about images where it’s hard to say for certain that it is generated? Me and the other mods did not agree on whether the recent image was AI f.ex which makes it hard to make a decision on whether or not to remove it.
- It can be stressful to artists to be accused of having used AI. If we are too militant on weeding out AI art it could be harmful as there will no doubt be some false positives.
- Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)
I think a lot of us mods feel that AI should be allowed so long as it is not low quality and serves some purpose (being entertaining f.ex), and that the community should not be flooded with AI. What are your thoughts?
Edit: Thank you all for your input! Most of the others are sleeping right now I think, so nothing is likely gonna happen until later today.
as much as i wouldnt want to see just ai art with no further human work/edit/something. i dont think its actually possible to police ai art without banning human work that might look similar. as much i understand the sentiment of others on ai art, its a slippery slope to have ‘tells’ of an ai art vs human. wont go too in-depth but i sometimes make art that’s intentionally smudgy and weird, idk if people would mistake those for ai art but i can see it being possible.
ai art without further human work i think should be removed. but i dont think it should be removed if its not clear it was ai. maybe a rule that if u do post ai u must at least say its that in the description. ofcourse this isnt gonna make everyone who posts ai to do that, but faith in people first should be the best start. if it isnt clarified on ai but many are saying, moderators could ask and have a policy if the creator doesnt clarify after being asked then it could be removed or locked at least.
i would also like to give opinion on comments. that post did have ai defenders and those should be removed, especially if they are being intentionally hateful. but i am also not really cool with tolerance on those who were being hateful on ai users as well, especially when the post was unproven. i do want to say there should be a discussion on whether such comments should be kept as is as well. im not here to defend ai, but i dont think being actively hostile towards a suspected ai thing is a good thing. it goes back to the slipperly slope, if i make some art that i have been doing before gen_ai was a thing, making intentionally weird smudged up things, and im being harassed for suspected ai, i wouldnt post again (to be clear i have not had this experience and i havent posted my weird art, i might someday; im giving an example that has happened in the art community over and over for people i know, i dont want this place to be unsafe similar to that. we have to keep in mind that tells and stuff is very much gonna hurt human creators more than it can hurt the corporate empire of gen_ai).
this is all not to mention that i think gen_ai users are significantly smaller scapegoats of a problem then are corporations making, funding, implementing, and buying gen_ai stuff. and i feel harassment of gen_ai users is pointless, maybe more fruitful to spread awareness of its harm as many non tech people i know dont know the issues until told. u can call them ignorant at most sure, but harassment just gonna lead them to continue ignoring. though thats a much more different issue, im highlighting as an opinion here to explain my thinking of why i dont want harassment or hateful things in the comments. especially generalized one that might hurt human creators far more
supplemting my last point. i dont think hating on gen_ai users does anything. tech industry does not care about users but stocks. as things get worse we can only really spread information and get people to understand the issue, but hating on them is only energy expended by us for almost no fruit. corporations dont need us to survive, if users mattered they wouldnt be making pointless bullshit for the past decade that i realy dont think had potential. we are jumping pointless tech thing to another pointless tech thing and corporations survive fine. so i dont see a reason to be angry at the end user, especially in cases we dont even know for sure if gen_ai was involved and how much. anger is understandable in the state that we are in, but again it may hurt the humans far more than it can ever reach the corporations.
I do not like AI in any form and do not want it in front of me if possible
fuck ai full stop. imho. it’s cooking the planet and stealing art and funding nazis all the same whether you use it to make fun of the nazis or ai bros or make something otherwise entertaining with it. you’re still contributing to the problem using it at all.
First and last ones are only true for big corporate models. The second one is subjective whether you believe in copyright policing. I don’t, but I’m pro-piracy and believe that IP gatekeeping is harmful to our culture at large. I’ve seen both how ruthless IP holders can be, and I’ve also seen how lazy they are at rehashing the same ideas over and over (why movie studios and authors reuse the same plots, stories, or remake the same content over and over and over again). I don’t agree with this.
The first one and last one are big problems, but are easily solved by using Open source software (that things that everyone forgets exists) and self-hosting yourself, I can use my own GPU to run an instance of AIhorde software for nothing more than what it takes to play a video game.
No, AIHorde still uses corporate models. The only open source part is distributing the computation.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com I’m curious how true is this if you don’t mind me asking.
i support a full ban on AI-generated art. however, I think the moderation should be lenient and allow art when it’s not certain if it’s AI-generated or not. IMO letting some AI art through is better than over-moderating and hurting real artists.
at the very least, making it possible to filter out AI art would be a good thing as well.
Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)
This, at the very very least. I support a full ban though.
