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NPS needs to issue rain checks so people can make better decisions.

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News of an accidental death always brings out the amateur investigators who’ll confirm the stupidity of the victim.

It reassures us that death won’t come, because I’m careful. This goes double for firearms accidents.

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This should be a reminder to the suburban family units that go on strenuous or even straight up dangerous hikes, carefree and letting their children and animals roam everywhere.

I’ve seen tourists kids just casually fooling around on a ridge hike with a sheer 500+ foot drop on either side of a like meter wide ridge with no barriers. Dogs gladly running into the brush which leads to said 500 foot drop.

This hiker chose to free solo an almost vertical wall and unfortunately paid the price. Mountains are dangerous. People regularly climb and fall off Morro rock and that’s literally just a rock, not even a mountain.

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This hiker chose to free solo an almost vertical wall and unfortunately paid the price.

This is incorrect. One because it’s not “almost vertical” (it’s a 3rd class scramble) and two because she was not technically free soloing - she wasn’t rock climbing and the protection in this case was the cables. I acknowledge these distinctions may not matter to you but they matter when talking about why these accidents happen.

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Aside from the "free-solo"ing of a dangerous but established NP trail with hand rails, I agree with the sentiment that casual hikers do not take the perils seriously. Goes double for parents.

This is one of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve heard in a long time.

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See, what you gotta do is not fall.

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Not true. Falling is harmless. What you’ve gotta do is not land.

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True. Back in 2011 Mark Kelly fell for over 15 days straight. Not only did he survive, but he went on to win election as a Democrat for one of Arizona’s Senate seats twice!

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Apparently she hit her head during the fall, so in this case it was really the fall that killed her.

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Ahhhh. That’s genius.

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I said “no means no” but Land wasn’t having it…it violated both my legs…

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The trick is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.

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A ranger told them there were storms in the forecast

Rohloff said. “I was like, ‘We have got to get down now, because we don’t want to be up here with any rain. It rolled in literally out of nowhere.’”

Storms forecast? Let’s scale up a slippery sheer granite cliff with no safety equipment. The level of stupidity here is truly astounding.

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They even say that after Yellowstone put in its permit limit to 300 per day on the summit, incidents more than doubled because how hard the permits are to get causes more people to go up whether or not the weather is bad.

Also, important to note that weather in the mountains changes frequently and without warning. I do a lot of hiking myself, and I’ve gone into the mountains on days expecting absolute lashings of rain and got nothing, and more often I’ve gone on days where higher summits forecasts show clear or just in the clouds, and had to turn back because the storms and winds got so high.

Now even if I’ve planned a hike for weeks and the weather looks great, I’ll still double check before I drive up. If it’s just a bit of rain it’s usually not the end of the world. It’s when they say bad storms, flooding, lightning on the summit/winds above 70 mph where I’ll bail.

I don’t think it’s necessarily stupid and there were clearly a load of other people up there as well. Its just really shitty.

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I could have made this mistake. Trying to make good of the lottery to hike with my daughter. Seeing all the other tourists tossing care to the wind would have kept my guard down.

Mountains create their own weather. It can even differ from valley to adjacent valley. Seeing clear skies doesn’t forecast the next hour but also doesn’t say turn around. We’ve all pushed the limits and gambled it just didn’t work out for them in the worst way.

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