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Will you stop posting shit claiming he was accidentally deported? He was deported intentionally. The government lawyer who argued in court that the government had deported Garcia by mistake has since been fired. Stephen Miller himself said that “There was no mistake”. They are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.

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He wasn’t deported, he was kidnapped and sent to a concentration camp.

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til deportations aren’t just sending them to a different country, and out-of-the-country camps count as deportating (not sarcasm, I seriouslly didn’t know that)

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In this case being more verbose makes sense. The current public-knowledge definition doesn’t cover this case, so it makes sense to describe exactly what happened.

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The Trump administration said in court filings Garcia was accidentally deported.

That accident was because they are deporting whoever they can get their hands on.

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Did 2 judges deem him to be MS13? Because if they did I’m getting Rittenhouse vibes over this. Dems jumping up and down/flooding the internet by calling him (Rittenhouse) a murderer. The law is clear, as dumb and idiotic as Rittenhouse was, someone pointed a gun at someone who was also armed. He defended himself. But Dems were in so deep they were acting like brainwashed Republicans. This may end up similar. Dems are in too deep, soaking up post after post telling them he was never part of MS13 and are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.

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Congratulations!

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Wanna know the difference between Abrego Garcia and Rittenhouse?

I’ll give you a hint: One of them was afforded due process.

Here’s another thing that you might not know. Being a member of a gang is not illegal in and of itself (freedom of association). If it was, the KKK and the Proud Boys and Patriot Front and all those other chud gangs wouldn’t be allowed to exist. So it doesn’t matter one iota if Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13 or not. The only thing that matters in terms of deporting him are his legal residence status, and his criminal record. And guess what? He was here legally, having been given “withholding of removal” status by an immigration judge, and he has no criminal record.

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Do you want to see the court transcripts showing that he was never in the state that the person accusing him of being a gang member said he was in? Or the court ruling that said he wasn’t a gang member?

When you read the 5th amendment do you skip the “No person” section?

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No due process. And no matter what the right wing hate machine is telling you, no, he’s never been in MS13. He had asylum and non deportation orders precisely because a judge wanted to protect him from MS13.

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I hope all those „be careful around windows in russia” jokes made you laugh because this is your reality now.

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Bold of you to think I live in the USA. I’ll keep making Russian window jokes, but now I need a good USA one too, hmmm…

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I propose: Don’t leave your fridge open in the US.

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Has been for a few decades at least, but now the targeting is more random.

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The real differences are that the scope is massively expanded and they’ve stopped trying to hide it. Now they’re just doing it out in the open.

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The lights are on 24/7 there. Bright florescent lights. I imagine at Dachau you might be able to escape in sleep occasionally.

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Wait, the top one isnt a photo from ww2?..

Umm, thanks for these images, it really puts it in perspective. I knew that they were fascists and have shown it many times, but here it looks so clear

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If you’re curious to learn more, you can check out this video. It is a very interesting and complex issue. It helps to understand some of El Salvador’s history before passing judgement, but that doesn’t of course mean, that this prison’s facilities and living conditions are acceptable. I just think it’s worth learning a little bit about why this prison exists in the first place.

Still, the fact that innocent US citizens supposedly have been sent there is fucking terrifying and should have never happened.

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Ummm, first thanks for the info, second those comments on the video are really scary… They seem to promote concentrarion camps… Third, CNN here doesnt seem to aknowledge that it is a concentration camp and seems to dehumanize the prisoners (at least judging from the title)

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Even the Nazi’s provided their prisoners with blankets. It’s mentioned in Night, it’s mentioned in The Men with the Pink Triangle. The Nazis took away the blankets when they felt like being especially sadistic.

After the soup, we gathered between the bunks. The veterans told us: “You’re lucky to have been brought here so late. Today, this is paradise compared to what the camp was two years ago. Back then, Buna was a veritable hell. No water, no blankets, less soup and bread. At night, we slept almost naked and the temperature was thirty below. We were collecting corpses by the hundreds every day. Work was very hard. Today, this is a little paradise. The Kapos back then had orders to kill a certain number of prisoners every day. And every week, selection. A merciless selection… Yes, you are lucky.”

From Night

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If I remember correctly they also don’t get even a bedsheet. They just sleep directly on the metal.

I remember hearing about this prison awhile back and it genuinely sounds like hell. I have very little compassion for rapists and murderers, but even they don’t deserve to live like that. I cannot imagine what it must do to your psyche.

If first you enter that prison, that is it. The president of that country is very adamant that no one is released, if I remember correctly.

Fucking terrifying to think someone who did nothing at all could end up in there, but there is probably more than one of those in there.

Edit, I found this video that touches on the issue. It is very interesting.

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The thing is these aren’t rapists and murderers. These people haven’t been convicted of crimes. Even those not sent by the US. The Salvadoran dictator just decides that people are rapists and murderers and sends them there without trial.

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Only difference is the lack of human experiments.

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And the lack of such experiments is assumed. Not proven

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This is a big part of the Network State or Freedom Cities that are being proposed.

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Can have as much ideas as he wants, we don’t live in 1945 anymore, he has no chance to make them a reality.

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Slave labor?

They are kept in pens for 23.5 hours a day. I don’t think they’re getting any labor out of them. It’s a death camp.

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He’s most likely dead. That’s the reason why they can’t get him back.

Edit: furthermore even if Chunky Cheeto said on TV that he knows the guy is dead because he killed him himself then absolutely nothing would be done about it.
USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.

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USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.

Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction. Yeah, every single one of those guys works for the dictator so forgive me if I don’t go John Fucking Rambo on the White House with a repeater I bought at Walmart.

We’re showing up to protests by the millions, we’re using our voices, we’re pressuring elected leaders to stand up and fight back, we’re fucking trying to stop this shit, so honestly fuck off with this sort of reductive armchair general critiquing.

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Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction.

This guy went against a column of tanks with two bags of groceries.

Americans can’t get organised to march with their guns to see how far the military will defend the dictatorship, when you make it hard for them.

So for years we’ve been right about the 2A, completely useless and only there to feed the military-industrial machine, weak egos and gang violence.

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He also got disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again. Not exactly the example I’d use.

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Yeah and he died. Get off your fucking high horse and stop pressuring people to commit suicide in the name of what you think is right.

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Sit there and wait for them to kill you instead. Guns are your only hope. Until you wake up and realize it you’ll watch your countrymen be killed en masse. Possibly your own family and friends. Just because it’s not you right now doesn’t mean it’s not going to be.

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Immigration is your only choice

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Millions of us are protesting and direct action groups are gaining more support and being more active. We’re slow to the draw yes, and this type of movement should have happened much earlier, but it’s inaccurate to say none of us are doing anything

Edit to add: https://lemmy.world/post/28297299

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i think the point hes getting at mainly is that none of the protesting groups are taking up firearms and removing the potus by force along with his cronies. you are not militant enough compared to what is written in your constitution for this exact scenerio.

protesting where the police allow you to is “controlled opposition” and its part of the allowed illusion of potential change. its what allows viewers at home who may agree with the movement, to feel hopeful, and like they dont have to do anything because someone else is already doing something. resolving things democratically will only take you so far with a head of state and entrenched system of control that not only doesnt follow the rules of democracy, but is actively trying to dismantle it.

protest as much as you wish, but if theres no bite after your bark, it rings hollow.

source? occupy wallstreet. where they poured champaign on protestors from high rises and skyscrapers, laughing, and taking pictures as they continued to rob everyone below. nothing changed. not really. if anything it got worse.

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Every protest is a sea of organization. Thousands and thousands of people convening in a public space for a cause compels people to think about those next steps. It’s a process of breaking inertia. But yes, these always require a politival mechanism: support for a bill, a race, a party, etc or they will get co-opted by the ruling class.

That’s what happened with Occupy Wall Street, yes, though it still resulted in a major wave of political organization. The movement being ignored resulted in a major wave of disenfranchised people who turned to fascism thinking it would be a viable alternative. But at the same time it helped prime people to actually give Bernie a chance in 2016.

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Taking up arms at this point would be absurdly foolish. They’d just deploy actual militant forces to stop you and you’d essentially kill any progressive movement for a couple decades, because they’d be associated with violence and extremism

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What are direct action groups are doing? I’ve only heard of protests, which have frankly zero effect on the Trump regime. The idea that something will come out of these protests, that someone will escalate is fundamentally flawed; until you and people like you decide to escalate nothing will happen, and if you want to know what your average American thinks of escalation go out on April 19th and ask people around you what they think about participating in a general strike within the year. Like ask 30 people or something, record the answers and see what you’ll get. The situation won’t change until the people of America change it with their own hands; no inevitable march of history is coming to save you.

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I keep telling everyone. Get armed and get trained. Because the war for this nation is coming.

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The class War has always been ongoing.

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It’s here already just loads of you can’t see it.

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Yes. I agree. For decades we should have been fighting.

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Well, the problem.on the guns side is that the Democrats spent decades villifying gun ownership, so 90% of the guns are owned by supporters of the fascist fuck.

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It depends where you live honestly. I grew up in NJ in a very blue suburb and every male child on the block was out of school during the first week of deer season. Now that I’m older every leftist I know is strapped.

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I have like 50 guns. I tell people that I’m so far left that I’ve circled back around on guns.

But the reality is I’m mostly just a gun nerd who also used to be a gun salesman and got a ton of freebies from the manufacturer.

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