Hungary’s parliament has passed an amendment to the constitution that allows the government to ban public events by LGBTQ+ communities, a decision that legal scholars and critics are calling another step toward authoritarianism.
The amendment, which required a two-thirds vote, passed along party lines with 140 votes for and 21 against.
It was proposed by the ruling Fidesz-KDNP coalition led by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.
The amendment declares that children’s rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peacefully assemble.
The amendment codifies a law fast-tracked through parliament in March that bans public events held by LGBTQ+ communities, including the popular Pride event in Budapest that draws thousands of visitors annually.
That law also allows authorities to use facial recognition tools to identify people who attend prohibited events and can come with fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints (€481).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/11-freedom-expression-and-information
- Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.
I know that this isn’t identical to the First Amendment in the US. It doesn’t explicitly prohibit laws against assembling, for one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And legal interpretations from cases won’t be the same. But there’s gotta be at least some argument that this runs afoul of the EU treaties and should be challenged under those.
The European Convention on Human Rights does explicitly prohibit restrictions on assembly, but it also explicitly has an exception if it’s to protect morals, which I assume is the grounds under which Hungary is acting in banning LGBTQ+ groups assembling:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_11_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.
Thanks for the extensive comment, but unfortunately the EU can’t take Hungary to court. They also ignored the ICC order to arrest Netanyahu. I know I sound very cynical by quoting this, but it seems a very true to me (and Orban) right now.
Laws without enforced consequences are merely suggestions.
Yeah, personally I think that something that’s playing a big part in the rise of the right wing is that the current powers that be seem to be completely spineless. And happy to make certain institutions like the EU or even UN look like a bit of a joke or hypocrites. The longer they keep Hungary around making the ‘values’ of the EU look like they’re just suggestions, the harder it is to convince some podcast hooked kid not to support and vote for the people that want to tear the whole thing down.
And the same goes for Palestine, as contentious as the issue is. When the whole culture that you’ve cultivated back home for the last couple of decades is one of tolerance and peace and justice, then not only sit back and let something like the Palestine situation happen but start threatening and deporting the children that you taught to care for speaking out about it, then why should anyone believe a word you say anymore. Especially young people who are looking for something to believe in.
Our leaders fucking suck across the globe, actually. Just carrying on like it’s just another day and the idiots aren’t slowly taking over.
unfortunately the EU can’t take Hungary to court.
Hmm. No? Isn’t that what the European Court of Human Rights is for, as to ECHR violations?
There are rulings against countries here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Court_of_Human_Rights_judgments
For violations of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, I’d think that the European Court of Justice would have jurisdiction, and I see rulings here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Court_of_Justice_rulings
Like Commission v. Italy.
They also ignored the ICC order to arrest Netanyahu.
I’m not sure as to whether this affects things. I don’t think that this is a matter of law that the ICC deals with.
ICC members have ignored ICC arrest warrants before, so there’s some precedent; I remember that coming up with Putin.
And as far as I know, the ICC isn’t the court that would deal with EU treaty violations, yes? It’s not an EU institution or Council of Europe institution.
EDIT: And I see a list of LGBT cases here:
That includes cases under the European Court of Human Rights and under the Court of Justice of the European Union (which the European Court of Justice is part of).
I don’t know much about legal systems so your comments and sources are nice, but I haven’t really seen the EU having much influence on Orban so far while I feel they have had problems with a lot of stuff he did.
Hungary’s parliament is currently above the constitution because the ruling party has a 2/3 majority. They might as well pass all laws as constitutional laws. The situation is quite similar to the UK where any party with a prime minister can change anything at all.
And that’s a 2/3 majority of seats, right? Not votes, not popular support.
We have a similar system in the Netherlands but a meaningful difference is that you don’t only need a 2/3 majority but also a ‘confirming’ vote by the next coalition. This might not do much in a case like Hungary or Turkey where the next ruler is similar as the previous but there having to be a public vote in between can potentially greatly shift the powers and end the majority.
That sounds like quite a sensible system. Also in NL the 2/3 will almost always require a broad coalition of parties because of your proportional system.
I think the system in general works quite well, the only downside is that you only need like 0.5% of votes for a seat which means there is now 15 parties or so in the parlement which makes is very representative but from time to time also very slow. There has been cases where the decisive vote for a (2/3) was held by small parties where you could just see them in a kind of bidding war. But if I look at the international news I generally feel grateful for our system.
Orbi we know that you are gay for Putin, but you really don’t have to project your self hatred onto others…
What’s wrong with LGBTQ? I can’t understand his motivations. I’m not LGBTQ myself but banning public events by them makes no sense to me. Does he think he’ll get more votes this way?
Just like there was nothing wrong with Jews, they need a public enemy and they can’t pick people from the majority so they’ve picked non-whites non-straights and non-females. Also lines up with the Christian believe system, which have been using LGBTQ people as scapegoat since they stopped burning witches.
So first of all, the only reason to do this is to achieve authoritarian control, simply because many people want more power. Power is the end goal, not what you want to do with that power, they simply want more of it. This is the overarching theme for all of their actions.
And yes, in a society where the general public has more power than the ruling class, theoretically, they have to get public support. “Protecting the children” sounds good to the general public. Read the article to see how the law is worded: “children’s rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peacefully assemble”
But the actual reason for why the war against LGBTQ specifically is popular, is a sentiment among many people that sexuality is evil, and only barely acceptable just to facilitate childbirth. If you look at LGBTQ, almost everything within it is for free sexuality, and if you’re gay, lesbian, trans, asexual for example, that theoretically directly goes against childbirth. Thus the rationale against LGBTQ is, they don’t want their kids turned LGBTQ by never even learning that it is an option for them. No public events => children never get in contact with it => children don’t become LGBTQ.
I truly hope these Fidesz fucks will get kicked out next year…
