A Republican state senator has called for “civil war” if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.

George Lang, an Ohio politician, made the comment as he introduced JD Vance at his first solo campaign event since becoming Trump’s running mate.

After taking to the stage fist-raised and shouting Trump’s post-shooting battle cry “Fight! Fight!”, Mr Lang warned of an existential threat facing Americans. He declared in front of a large, heated crowd in Ohio: “We are in the fight for the soul of our nation… for our kids, for our grandkids, it is a fight we can never imagine.

“I believe wholeheartedly, Donald Trump and Butler County’s JD Vance are the last chance to save our country. Politically, I’m afraid if we lose this one, it’s going to take a civil war to save the country.”

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38 points

The temperature is definitely rising. I’d be lying if I said I’d be cool with Republicans succeeding at keeping Harris (or whoever the Dem pick is) off the ballots in any state - we have a questionable democracy right now… we’d definitely not have a democracy then.

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There is a party of people that will argue that we are not a democracy or never were.

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And there is a majority of Americans ready to tell those dumb nerds to shut up with their boring nonsense

But since they’ve got a broken electoral system and the billionaires on their side it could go either way

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And those same mendacious, disingenuous fuck-knuckles get pseudo-patriotism boners when Trump whips out the “I took a bullet for democracy” line, without an ounce of shame or even self-awareness.

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I assure you, the people who are aware of the US’s history and don’t recognize it as a democracy (or more specifically, recognize it as a bourgeoisie democracy), are not patriotic or pro-trump.

A simple test for who the US government represents: Does it’s actions favor the people or the bourgeoisie?

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From. From democracy.

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6 points

It was founded as a democracy for some. That’s what they want to go back to.

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Your definition of democracy seems to hinge on your own whims.

Your desperation to invalidate democracy based on a switching of candidates shows two things… 1 shit happens… not too different as the decades pass, and 2 you don’t understand the meaning of “democracy” and are desperate to just talk shit…

Dems switching candidates doesn’t invalidate democracy it just shows how desperate you are to discount it…

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Good last line there

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What? I’m talking about Republicans suing to keep a democrat off the ticket - that’s a much different ball game than the convention. I want an open process in both arenas without tampering.

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Way to completely miss what he said there. He said “with republicans SUCCEEDING AT KEEPING HARRIS OFF OF THE BALLOTS”. How the fuck does this drivel have so many upvotes when it completely misses the argument.

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2 points

They kept Lincoln of the ticket in some southern states.

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Oh no! What will we do if morbidly obese 70 year-old slobs who are so afraid of cities that they think they need a gun to visit San Francisco start a civil war? How will we ever defeat the sandy vagina brigade that thinks a reality TV host is a big a strong man?

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San Fran? I live in rural America and I see twits like this at the grocery store. They are too scared to go buy a gallon of milk without being strapped.

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But the US didn’t have tanks and planes back then. Surely our muskets will be even more effective against those.

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The US would win without ever firing a single shot. Cut off electricity, the countless food products we import, imported fuel, cheap products from China, USPS/FedEx/Amazon Prime/etc, and so on. A week of eating gruel in the dark and they’ll be begging to rejoin the US.

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We wouldn’t wait the week though, some of those states have oil.

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Keep a close eye. These motherfuckers are riding the edge of subversive/seditious acts: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

If any organization makes “civil war” an official position then they’re fucked.

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Not with a supreme court that’s willing to say Unicorns exist for the sake of a legal argument. Law means nothing in this land for republicans right now.

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Do you see Biden’s AG charging them with treason?

They didn’t capitalize on Jan 6th to purge everyone involved, just gave a few car dealership owners a slap on the wrist.

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It should be noted that a large swath of that act has been overturned by the supreme court in the decades since the 40s.

It’s where we get the distinction between “advocating for revolution” and “telling people to revolt, now”.

One is protected because “violent revolution” in an abstract sense is a protected political policy position.
The law was originally used to target unionists and socialists who said we needed to tear the system down and rebuild it, by force if necessary.

What isn’t protected is an imminent call to action or direct incitement to lawlessness.

Advocating for the ability to do something that violates the current law is the only way to advocate for changing a law.

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Bullfuckingshit. I said it when Trump was shot at, and I’ll keep saying it: only ONE party has been ramping up the rhetoric for violence, and it sure as fuck isn’t coming from Democrats. These morons obviously don’t care if they get shot at again, because it’s not in their minds that they are causing the problem.

This is their M.O. though:

  1. Identify a target to rant about
  2. Call for violence
  3. Say you’re TOTALLY FUCKING SERIOUS THIS TIME
  4. Apologize and act like that’s enough, knowing what you said will stick with the crowd, but the Democrats aren’t going to call bullshit.

Here’s a thought: Biden uses his last 6 months of King Powers granted by the SC to put everyone of these fuckers in jail by Executive Order on sedition and treason charges, backing it up by making it an “Official Act” since Trump was shot at, and these assholes are trying to get more people shot at. That’ll shut them the fuck up.

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I was saying that after Jan 6.

Historically speaking, not purging your opposition after an attempted coup or change of power is one of the dumbest decisions you can make, second only to putting/leaving the opposition in positions of power and also making them your successor.

In American history, we saw it with Lincoln, resulting in his assassination and the end of reconstruction, and less dramatically, we saw it when Obama (and more recently Biden) left like half of Bush’s appointees in power, who immediately use their power to sabotage the administration.

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I mean, you’re totally right until the last paragraph. I don’t think Biden locking them up by executive order would shut them up. I think it’s more likely that would spark the civil war they’re so desperate to have. They’re like Kyle Rittenhouse, just waiting for an excuse to shoot a leftist.

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Sorry, it doesn’t read with inflection properly I guess. I guess just every time some random trying to curry favor with Trump calls for violence or a Civil War, that there should be punishment. Seems Biden can do that now milli-vanilli, and he should use it for some good.

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Will Biden be doing the lip-syncing in this situation or is he the actual band?

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That and the Supreme Court gets to decide what king powers are legal, and who gets to exercise it. And its not Biden

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Executive orders not needed, there are actually crimes they can be charged with but for the federalist society plant running DOJ

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Call your Senators and Representatives and give them an earful about this. If they shrug you off or they are on the side of those calling for civil war, then let other gov’t officials know.

We collectively need to stop allowing these shit lords from getting away with putting the idea of war against each other into the minds of those that otherwise know it’s wrong but just follow groupthink

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One minor, but important distinction:

Yes, the alt right and Republicans generally have been ramping up violent rhetoric. They broke the social contract and thus are no longer covered by it.

They are now valid targets of violence.

It’s a subtle distinction but important one and one we on the left must be careful to employ because the Alt-right will use any violence against them and will respond in kind.

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I see people constantly saying that democracy will end, there wont be elections again, they will do all kinds of evil things, etc. How is that not ramping up rhetoric for violence?

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Trump has specifically said these things. The Project 2025 psychos have said these things. Those are threats. Therefore, that is a threat to democracy, and democracy ending. So again, it’s only coming from one side, the MAGA clowns.

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So how then how does your team claiming democracy will end if they win not ramp up rhetoric for violence?

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