What a wild time to be alive
/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
Depends on your viewpoint.
Emigrate from Europe and immigrate to Europe is also a valid way to look at it.
According to Etymonline,
Immigrate = in- “into, in, on, upon” from PIE root *en + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
Emigrate = assimilated form of ex- “out” from PIE root *eghs + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
So I guess to correct usage would be:
Immigrating to Europe/US
Emigrating from US/Europe
It depends on where you’re speaking from.
If you’re in the US, people were immigrating from Europe and to the US and are now emigrating to Europe and from the US.
If you’re in Europe, people were emigrating from Europe and to the US and are now immigrating to Europe and from the US.
Easiest solution is to say migrating :)
Just my two cents, not having a go at you:
This is why I’m a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.
Stupid english with its stupid verbs.
We’ve got “to” and “from” why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.
Sure, you could argue that you can just say “they are emigrating” to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let’s be honest, not providing any other context it’s practically unheard of. You’ll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you’re being very abstract. Even then, you couls say “the migrants were immigrating” to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?
I’m glad few people “properly” use “emigrate” these days. Let’s kill it, it’s redundant!
I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I’m not gonna look it up since I don’t want to use it anyway haha
I, personally, like a language being rich. Nothing wrong with not knowing all the ins and outs, but calling for simplification on what is already an very simple language is odd.
I just have to point out, in an argument about language pedantry,
an very simple language
I wouldn’t call English simple haha
To me the richness comes from interesting cultural quirks of why we say something, but I’m not really feeling that for emigrate, personally, so would prefer we speed up it being forgotten. Words falling out of use is very common, so I’m happy to lose ones that are annoying
I should also specify, I’m just getting into the spirit of enjoyable nitpicking, also
In my view, “migrate” according to Etymonline originates from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) root *mei which means “to change, go, move”.
I don’t believe this term refers to moving in or out of something, or any other preposition.
As we’ve been discussing in this post, immigrate and emigrate represent inverses of each other. It makes sense to look for logical ways to combine those.
I think the best prefix for this would be trans- for, according to Etymonline, this means “across, beyond, through, on the other side of; go beyond”. Specifically, I would refer to trans- as meaning “out from and in to”, which gives us the word “transmigrate”. Etymonline has a dictionary entry for “transmigration”.
It looks like Merriam-Webster, Oxford, and American Heritage dictionaries support “transmigrate” as an entry.
I think there’s a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.
‘Coming’ and ‘going’ do the same shift. “I’m coming to Europe; they’re coming from Europe,” feels just a bit stilted to me, though that’s subjective I suppose.
If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about ‘migrate’.
And scrap ‘coming’ and ‘going’ for ‘moving’.
Because when you’re the one who “came up” with it, it’s usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.
I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it’s like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.
Technically I’m blaming the Franks, but they are just proto-French so it is still counts. Like referring to the Picts as Scots.
The fascism was within you the whole time.
i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it’s a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever
edit: oh yeah, what does that have to do with your comment? well, the christians are going to heaven alright, if you can interpret the american technocracy (or even mars) as “heaven” (by any stretch of the word)
explanation: the christian idea of “heaven” is heavily based on platon’s “ideas”, which are described as “heavenly objects” (a.k.a abstractions), and platon called the collection of all ideas the “inter-net” for some reason, and modern IT is heavily modeled after it, with a purely abstract world ruling the world, more or less. there’s lots of articles how some technological platforms (such as meta, google) shaping what news we get and what we believe/think. thus it is a “techno-cracy”.
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
Fascists on the rise in Australia too sadly. New Zealand is very isolationist and anti immigration.
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
It’s a respectful xenophobia though. Like, it’s just as bad but entirely Japanese in flavor. If I had to make a ham fisted metaphor.
still, EU countries have far superior electoral systems than the US to help mitigate the rise and influence of Fascism.
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living…
😂
Just joking about Japan because I view the population as into pedophilia because of animes
Your family brought the curse with them
