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“Soar”

Looks back a month to compare

Falling without style?

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First thing I thought. Even after today, the S&P 500 is down 5% on the month and 10% since Trump took office

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This is a dead cat bounce. Nothing fundamentally has changed until Trump is out of office. There is no one talking him down from his bad decision making.

He will move onto the next grift or scandal so he can dominate the next news cycle and make the old one go away. Eventually he will come back to fuck with the economy again.

Rinse & Repeat/Round and round we go until he hits something big he can’t make go away like Covid did in his first term. Then he will loose it.

If you want my bet on what that is, it will be a major war.

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He will move onto the next grift or scandal so he can dominate the next news cycle and make the old one go away

This is his life’s work. Way before the presidency.

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War, cold war, or trade war? Maybe a mix, like trade war (since that seems to be sticking around) and a proxy war that the US is using to keep the war supply industry rolling (since he had broken all other industries).

Don’t forget plenty of other pandemic potentials, especially since the US officially doesn’t recognize any problems anymore like climate or pollution or science.

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Cold War wouldn’t dominate the news cycle enough.

Some say we may be in the opening stages of WW3 so I’m imagining full on war or domestic instability/insurrection.

Of course an unchecked pandemic should always be on anyone’s bingo card moving forward as well.

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“Soar” is a strong word when you consider they were higher less than a week ago. Can’t wait for the next thing he says to drop the market before the weekend so his boys can get in on the next pump and dump. He literally tweeted “NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO BUY” right before he paused the tariffs.

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It’s the only word journalist know to describe something that isn’t plummeting.

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I guess y’all think 90 days is enough time for China to back down and for all of your manufacturing and supply chain to spin up?

He could change his mind on a fart tomorrow.

Farce.

Can’t wait to see the demands for DEI removal from sovereign nations to avoid tariffs. Or more energy blackmail.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the US moron brigade demands from African nations that they shouldn’t hire black people anymore.

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Africa can do itself a favor by expelling all the American Christians that were there writing some of the laws for some of the countries.

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China is exempted from the deferral. Theirs will continue to be taxed.

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Penguins 1 - USA 0

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The market reaction is dumb. 90 days bus very little for companies to adapt when years are needed.

I think this but it’s just the people seeing his tweet immediately before he lifted the restrictions.

Looks like we are still heading for recession and Treasury bills interest is still jumping up.

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One part is a reverse game of chicken, buy the dippest dip to realize most profit from less dippy dip buyers.

The other part is the assumption that this means the tariffs will never actually come or at least in a much relaxed form.

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The vibe I get is that most elites really don’t want to believe the president could be dumb, because that means they could be too. Elites own and/or work with a lot of stocks, and that extends to their investing decisions.

So they figure, sure, it must just be a 4D chess bluff.

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Is anyone else disgusted by the term “elites”? It plays right into the mindset of the wealthy oligarchs, who sincerely believe they’re better than the rest of us.

Such people aren’t “elite,” they’re useless parasites that wouldn’t be able to exist if they weren’t sucking the wealth out of us. It’s time we stop using a term that kisses their asses.

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And you really think “the elites” are the ones buying and selling here?

Yes, they have a lot of wealth in stocks, but usually they simply own a large chunk of their (or their parents) company and the rest is managed by a fund manager. And if you have millions or billions, you don’t need to think quarter to quarter.

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it must just be a 4D chess bluff.

Many of us hope against all evidence there is some strategic logic here, some actual plan, some intelligence behind the chaos. I’m still in denial that this could happen in the real world ……it’s just a hallucination about some real estate conman

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I agree this is just market euphoria. We have a lot of systemic issues that have been exacerbated and/or entirely created by Trump.

The core problem is Trump full stop. He is sitting in the White House with nothing but “Yes” men in his cabinet. It’s only a mater of time until he releases his next scheme on the market.

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He’s been obsessed with tariffs all his life, he won’t stop doing those

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No he won’t give tariffs up. This was his latest gift to make 10% tariffs on everything seem not so bad. I’m willing to bet 10% was always his goal and the crazy numbers he threw out were there to make 10% seem reasonable.

The problem is after 4 months of attacking allies, siding with dictators, reneging on prior trade agreements he negotiated, and being called out for it globally. This latest economic grift wiped any trust the US had left.

The US is uninvestable while he is in power. You can’t make major investments be it a billion dollar factory complex or some small business importing goods to build a product. You could be wiped out because of a mood swing or Orange Mussolini’s latest grift.

Worse his tariffs put many US manufacturers at a disadvantage compared to foreign competitors. He’s just set the stage for a definite recession, long term slow economic growth or at worse a depression if the bond market fully breaks down.

Even if he can get tax cuts passed they won’t do shit to put it all back together.

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I think this but it’s just the people seeing his tweet immediately before he lifted the restrictions.

Market doesn’t know if the tariffs are even coming back, and are taking the chance to buy back low.

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He suspended it for 90 days and also previously threatened that there will be more, so we don’t even know if next week there won’t be new tariffs.

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It’s still possible that’s the point. Not the tariffs as a goal but as a weapon to hold over everyone’s head, to shake them down until they all bow before mango mussolini

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