24 points

What a load of corporate cock sucking drivel…

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Rising wages are a great thing when they are the natural result of workers becoming more productive

Oh yeah, I agree, a great thing, but then why

From 1979 to 2020, net productivity rose 61.8%, while the hourly pay of typical workers grew far slower—increasing only 17.5% over four decades (after adjusting for inflation https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

Well I guess because

Starting in the late 1970s policymakers began dismantling all the policy bulwarks helping to ensure that typical workers’ wages grew with productivity. Excess unemployment was tolerated to keep any chance of inflation in check. Raises in the federal minimum wage became smaller and rarer. Labor law failed to keep pace with growing employer hostility toward unions. Tax rates on top incomes were lowered. And anti-worker deregulatory pushes—from the deregulation of the trucking and airline industries to the retreat of anti-trust policy to the dismantling of financial regulations and more—succeeded again and again. https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

But, but, who could have pushed for these policies that deliberately devalued labor in America and reduced workers rights?

The Heritage Foundation, sometimes referred to simply as “Heritage,”[1][2] is an activist American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1973, it took a leading role in the conservative movement in the 1980s during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies were taken from Heritage Foundation studies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

So rising wages are a great thing when it’s the natural result of more productivity, but the heritage foundation has spent the last 40 years making sure that wages don’t naturally keep pace.

Now the heritage foundation is trying to convince you that workers are better off with lower wages, happier when they can’t afford healthcare or pay rent, and more fulfilled when they work two jobs but are always on the brink of homelessness. Don’t be fooled.

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@Bongo_Stryker @wintermute_oregon Well this is interesting…that net productivity you cited is far below the rate of inflation over the same time period, which is 256.49%.

https://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html?cstartingamount1=100&cinmonth1=13&cinyear1=1979&coutmonth1=13&coutyear1=2020&calctype=1&x=Calculate#uscpi

You’d think this would hurt companies, but naturally it hurts the people at the bottom most.

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@Bongo_Stryker @wintermute_oregon I also calculated the numbers, the companies are actually slightly disproportionately disadvantaged. Productivity over that time period for companies was 24.9% of the rate of inflation, while hourly pay rose by 28.3% of that productivity. Not even a massive difference TBH. It doesn’t seem as unfair as it sounds at first glance.

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5 points

Ah yes. The classic “i ran the numbers far better than any financial analyst”

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12 points

The author is basically saying you should be a slave until you get a good job. Can’t say I agree with this opinion piece.

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He’s saying artificially inflating wages has led to job cuts.

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9 points

Ok…and her solution is to exploit young and low skilled workers since they ‘don’t bring the value of a reasonable minimum wage’.

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-6 points

Which is better a low paying job or no job?

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-7 points

Whats your opinion on importing cheap anusable labor?

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9 points

the minimum wage can’t support a family. But minimum-wage jobs are important stepping-stones, allowing workers to gain experience and move up to higher-paying jobs.

The article is suggesting to just stop being poor by getting a higher wage job. What if the person can’t? No family for you?

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Personally, I think the minimum wage should be abolished and a living wage implemented. The term minimum seems to cause a lot of debate about the idea of the wage or a bargaining system like many of the European states have.

A living wage should be able to pay rent, own a basic car, have health insurance, etc. As such it would be regionally adjusted to guarantee a basic standard of living.

The idea of a national minimum wage is just silly since the cost of living varies so much regionally. It ends up screwing people in areas where the cost is higher.

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The minimum wage was intended to be a living wage.

The fact that you just tried to make a distinction between the two shows how far we’ve fallen.

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Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. In its inception in 1938 minimum wage was $0.25 an hour. Here are things that could be purchased for 25 cents in 1938. A gallon of milk, 8 postage stamps, a matenee movie ticket, 2 gallons of gas, … Rent was half a months wages. Minimum wage was never a living wage.

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3 points

Or stop trying to implement price controls and just give poor people welfare

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8 points

Banning bobafuttbucker because he posts when you won’t is a coward’s move. He’s the only one who pretends this is a legitimate community.

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Timeline of events, read before it gets deleted:

8 days ago:

  • @wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee posted a CNN article and I commented acknowledging that it seems the source is now allowed here.

2 Days ago:

  • I posted this article from Fox about Elon, which got removed citing R2 (not sure what about Fox or Elon is viewed as anti-conservative or not pro-conservative, but there ya go).

  • I then posted this article from CNN, which is a running ticker of election 2024 stories with no specific bias, which also got removed citing R2 even though I added a comment (in line with the other rules of this community)

  • I made a meta post with no intention besides getting some attention about this perceived double-standard:

  • I DM’d Wintermute to gain some clarity about why these posts were perceived to have violated R2, with no response other than a community ban.

I’m posting this because I honestly feel the reasons given were complete bullshit. If Wintermute can use CNN as a source, why can’t I? If Fox/Elon stories are not pro-conservative, what is?

The only explanations I can think of are that Wintermute is deleting posts and banning users because he’s overreacting to the article title and getting triggered thinking it’s somehow anti-conservative, and/or he’s just using a BS excuse to kick me out of this community.

I have reached out directly to Wintermute and other mods on this community multiple times requesting explanations so I may make better contributions to this community going forward. As you can see, they’re falling mainly on deaf ears.

Maybe I’m a little trolly sometimes and for that I’m truly sorry, but I really try to adhere to rules for posting because I know how restrictive the rules are and think having these discussions can be valuable for everyone. But even when I follow mod examples they still block/ban me.

How is that anything besides a double-standard?

How does this behavior contribute positively to a community?

How is this behavior classified as anything to rational people besides power-tripping?

Do what you want if you’re the Mod, but if that’s what you have to do to spin the narrative in your head, maybe you’re just wrong and should find inner peace in accepting that. If you really wanted a healthy community here you would welcome this information as a basis for further discussion into our respective views. It’s now painfully clear you don’t.

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CNN is allowed under R2 as long as it is pro-conservative or . Talking about Elon and his finances is not pro-conservative, nor is it anti-liberal. There are plenty of other places for you to talk about Elon. The topic isn’t relevant to the spirit of R2.

You also posted that Kamala Harris is not in line with R2.

I have had this conversation with you ad nauseam, and I will not repeat myself constantly. I will delete the offending material and go on with life.

I will repost rule 2 to allow you to read and digest it again.

We are a Pro-Conservative forum. Posts must have a clear pro-conservative, or anti left-wing bias. We are interested in promoting conservatism and discussing things that might get ignored elsewhere. All sources are acceptable, however reputable sources with a reputation for factual reporting are preferred.

As you will note, CNN as a source of information is fine as long as it is pro-conservative. If you think one of the mods will delete it, it is best to post an explanation as to how it is pro-conservative or showing a liberal bias.

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Posts must have a clear pro-conservative, or anti left-wing bias

… according to wintermute. Maybe it’s not so clear to the rest of us where the boundaries lie.

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@HunterOfGunners @wintermute_oregon I am confused as to what this means. He’s sort of a troll, but I’m a free speech stan and don’t think he necessarily deserves to be banned.

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Thank you @realcaseyrollins, genuinely.

We hardly ever get along but this is sweet of you and I truly appreciate it.

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He continuously posted articles in violation of r2. It’s a two day ban to discourage violating rule 2

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5 points

The echo chamber must remain intact after all.

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Then you should either enforce it universally or remove the rule.

There’s a post that’s been up for hours that’s in clear violation. Why is that one ok but mine get removed in minutes?

If it’s a question of bandwidth then get more mods.

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