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The Biden administration is moving toward lifting a de facto ban on American military contractors deploying to Ukraine, four US officials familiar with the matter told CNN, to help the country’s military maintain and repair US-provided weapons systems.

The change would mark another significant shift in the Biden administration’s Ukraine policy, as the US looks for ways to give Ukraine’s military an upper hand against Russia.

The policy is still being worked on by administration officials and has not received final sign-off yet from President Joe Biden, officials said.

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The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine…

What are those?

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Not giving a hostile power control of 20% of the world’s grain supply is a good one.

Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

Weakening of a major geopolitical enemy’s military capabilities for a fraction of the cost of a conventional war.

That’s just off the top of my head, though.

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Also Neon gas is a big thing in eastern Ukraine. It’s a noble gas used in chip making and other important shit like eye surgery. It’s halted like half of the worlds supply.

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Ukraine is among the top 10 global producers of titanium, kaolin, manganese, iron ore, graphite, zirconium, uranium, as well as raw materials essential for modern technologies such as beryllium, aluminum, nickel, and cobalt.

https://zpp.net.pl/en/memorandum-zpp-ukraines-resource-policy-strategic-resources-and-rare-earth-metals/

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Right before the war started the now largest known lithium deposit in Europe (and somewhere top 10 worldwide) was found in eastern Ukraine.

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The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine

You just scratched the surface. There are plenty more reasons.

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Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

I had a coworker use this to support our war efforts after 9/11 a week ago.

I don’t know if I have a non-dogmatic opinion of the current shit, but looking big is a bad reason to kill peeps.

As much as I feel I shouldn’t support interference, I’ve only bought Ukrainian vodka for a while.

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To be clear, I didn’t necessarily state I advocated for those things, but the prompt was for what interests the US has in being involved in Ukraine.

Whether it is right or justified is another matter, but it is undeniably of significant importance for a state to be able to show it can project force/inflict harm on those it deems a problem.

As for US involvement in the Middle East…yeah…not great. US involvement in Ukraine? I’d say it’s a different story since we are actually wanted there by the Ukrainian people, and it is reasonably likely that Russia would be involved in Ukraine whether or not it wished to be involved with the West, as it is valuable land in an area of historical Russian influence, and the crackpot ideology of Putin’s Russia all but demands its subjugation (no, really, shit’s wild).

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I don’t find those arguments very compelling. I think you’re conflating “national security” with “maintaining a global hegemonic order.”

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I’m not too fond of American hegemony but Russia’s hegemony is worst.

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I think you’re conflating “maintaining a global hegemonic order” with “fucking up a nation that has actively tried to harm the United States AND is provably committing war crimes.”

Is American hegemony all sunshine and roses? Fuck no lol

At least it is built more on consensus of member states than a hegemony built up by dictatorships like Russia (which, let’s be real, isn’t ever gonna be a global hegemon) or China?

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It’s called defending Warsaw in Kyiv instead of defending Berlin in Warsaw.

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Aptly put.

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Doesn’t matter if US has any keen interests or not.

This Russian Invasion of Ukraine is no different than Iraq’s Invasion of Kuwait.

The only difference is the attacker is a permanent member on the UN Security Council.

Otherwise something similar to Resolution 678 would have already been underway.

But then the US went and really FUCKED UP, when they Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003 and ignored the UN Security Council

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that the war was unjustified.[4] In a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, Putin said that “The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council’s sanction cannot be recognized as fair or justified.”

And showed Putin that the US/UK won’t play by the rules, so now he has also ignored those rules ever since.

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It is different. Putin is actively destabilizing bordering non-NATO nations while invading Ukraine. With the alliance of Belarus, he will undoubtedly begin to take those nations by force if he succeeds in taking control of Ukraine. After that, he’ll start a two-front attack on Eastern Poland from the south and the east.

I know that all sounds like crazy speculation. Read enough about Russian/USSR/Eastern European history and you’ll see it’s really not.

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Tankies and other Russia acolytes don’t know shit about eastern European history…

Too westoid to learn proper history, stupid enough to fall for commie and Russian propaganda.

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The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

But also to same that should make us defend Gaza from Israel. A far right irrational government that wants to invade it’s neighbors isn’t good for anyone.

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The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

I support the international community coming together to help defend weaker nations from stronger nations with imperialist ambitions, but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

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But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

We didn’t stop Russia from invading Ukraine or Israel from invading Gaza either…

but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

Exactly what the pro-nazi Americans said during WW2…

Seriously.

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Those are my crocs.

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