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Fuck off Joe, you’re slightly better than Hillary because you did eventually listen to reason.

But he should have said years ago he wasn’t going to run in 2024.

Hell, even if he just said it 6 months ago we could have had a real primary

It’s good he finally did the right thing, but he came damn close to not. He’s not a hero because he stopped doing the wrong thing at the last possible second. A week ago he wouldn’t stop rambling about “Lord God” was the only one that could make him drop

Dude is off the deep already, and has been for a while.

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Now that he’s stepped down, it’s a lot harder for you to hide that Trump love. You’ve lost your talking point, lol. Floundering just like the GOP.

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nah. i won’t call him a “hero” but this is the best way it could have happened, rather than republicans having YEARS to foment hatred and spin conspiracy theories and make everyone waste time debunking lie after lie about harris.

and nobody’s going to switch from D to R because it’s harris instead of biden. you can be fairly certain, however, that there WILL be people voting who weren’t going to vote at all when it was biden instead of harris

should he be applauded? yes. is he a hero? no. should he have announced it years ago? no fucking way.

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but this is the best way it could have happened

The best way was this happening a year ago so we could have a primary…

But you don’t think Dem voters should have had a say?

I’m a lot more democratic than you apparently…

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LOL good job parroting fox news’s desperate “bIdEn ChEaTeD tHe DeMs!!!” talking points. i’ll bet you’re doing it for free too.

news flash-- biden isn’t running, and you could have voted for anyone you wanted in the primary. so this entire “debate” about biden’s shoulda/woulda/coulda, while entertaining to obliterate people in, is getting the tankie position exactly nowhere

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Looks like we’re back in full “you can’t criticize the Democrats at all or you’re a Russian troll” territory. I hate this sycophancy.

I’m with you on this one. The Democrats have been skirting democracy to the best of their ability for years. I’m glad we’ve got a better chance of defeating Trump now, but I’m unwilling to concede the democratic process of nominating candidates. If we celebrate this fucked up process instead of holding their feet to the fire, they’re just going to learn that actually they don’t need to bother involving the people at all. We cannot give a single inch to the plutocrats at the top.

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That’s a really awful take. It’s good that Biden has stepped aside but our lack of a primary absolutely isn’t “a good thing”. Primaries are how we battle test our candidates and Harris has never performed well in one. I hope to hell she wins but I’d have more confidence if she’d been able to secure the nomination through traditional means.

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who do you think would have won (or should have won) this hypothetical primary that was “stolen” from us?

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Well, she didn’t do well in her presidential primary, no argument there. But she did do well enough in her primaries for AG and Senator for California to win not only those nominations but those elections, too.

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He didn’t think he’d be pressured out 6 months ago. He’s obeying popular opinion that shifted after the debate.

Someone here compared it to convincing an elderly parent to stop driving. They’re not heroes either, it just sucks for everyone that nature works this way.

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He did like a tenth of the press conferences as the last two presidents…

And people were pointing out his age related issues 4 years ago.

The only reason it took till the first debate for a critical mass to demand he drop out, was that was the first people had seen him speak for longer than 5 minutes. Ive been calling for him to do more public appearances/interviews this whole term, lots of us did. But we were called conspiracy nuts for saying an 80 year old was as capable as the average 80 year old.

The people around him day to day knew how bad it was and knew he’d be forced to step down if the public knew. So they fucking hid him. Just like Republicans did with Reagan.

Like it or not, that’s what happened.

I hope you at least learned that it’s not just ok to criticize your “team” it’s fundamentally necessary.

If people hadn’t, wed still be running Joe and trump would still be likely to win.

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