The US constitution is in peril. Civil and human rights are being trampled upon. The economy is in disarray.
At this rate, we will not make it through the second 100 days.
Federal judges in more than 120 cases so far have sought to stop Trump – judges appointed by Republicans as well as Democrats, some appointed by Trump himself – but the regime is either ignoring or appealing their orders. It has even arrested a municipal judge in Milwaukee amid a case involving an undocumented defendant.
Recently, Judge J Harvie Wilkinson III of the court of appeals for the fourth circuit – an eminent conservative Reagan appointee who is revered by the Federalist Society – issued a scathing rebuke to the Trump regime. In response to its assertion that it can abduct residents of the US and put them into foreign prisons without due process, Wilkinson wrote:
If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home? And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed’ would lose its meaning.
The entire concept of the US is heavily tied to its founding ideals of federalism, separation of powers, and rejection of a totalitarian monarchy. It’s why we have the name United States, and not a singular State of America. Versus something like Hungary which, from what I can find, is named for the native peoples of the area, didn’t have a written constitution for most of that time, and has gone through a handful of constitutions in recent history. It’s not an apt comparison.
Will the land of mass still exist there? Will there still be people there with some form of government? Yeah, obviously, we don’t disagree.
But would every single US citizen agree that, if we are no longer a democratic republic as determined by the founding constitution, then we are no longer the same country? Yes. There’s just not a world where US citizens say “yeah this is the opposite of what the founders were going for, but it’s still the same country”. The name United States wouldn’t even make sense anymore, because the states would no longer have autonomy.
If Trump established a dictatorship that wields the US military to oppress the will of the states, then for that duration it is no longer the United States, it’s whatever Trump calls it (he would probably call it the US, but it would be as accurate as North Korea calling itself a Democratic People’s Republic). If the states later overthrow that dictatorship and reinstate a form of rule that is based in the founding ideals, then the US would be refounded, and I could be convinced THAT is the same country re-established. But if the democracy is never re-established, and we stay under a form of totalitarian rule, then the US ceases to exist.
and not a singular State of America. Versus something like Hungary
True, but way more similar to Germany which also became authoritarian and abandoned German democratic values under Hitler.
Will the land of mass still exist there?
That’s not at all relevant, what’s relevant is if the federation will survive, if it does USA is technically intact, even if it breaks every traditional value of USA.
If Trump established a dictatorship that wields the US military to oppress the will of the states,
That’s a strange argument IMO, since this is the foundation of USA, and was the cause for the civil war. The power of the federal government precede the states.
Contrary to EU, where any nation can leave peacefully if they wish, which was demonstrated by UK leaving.
It seems like you don’t really accept what it means for a nation to “survive”. It definitely doesn’t means everything has to be well, and as it used to be.
way more similar to Germany which also became authoritarian and abandoned German democratic values under Hitler.
…what’s relevant is if the federation will survive if it does USA is technically intact, even if it breaks every traditional value of USA.
This feels like we’re having a semantic argument. I would say, if Hitler still held power to this day, the country that Germany is would be different from the one it was. And if someone had stated in the 1930s that we were watching the death of our country, even in retrospect, i would agree with that statement. After all, he took total control and threw out the existing form of government. If you’re saying that it’s still the same country just became the new regime continued to use the same name for the same plot of land, I would not be convinced. Completely new form of government -> completely new country.
this is the foundation of USA, and was the cause for the civil war. The power of the federal government precede the states.
This is known as the “war of northern aggression” argument in the US south. The argument that the civil war had “nothing to do with slavery” and was “about states rights”. But I hope we all agree that that’s a BS argument. They wanted to continue enslaving humans in what was objectively a crime against humanity, and the other states who chose to wield the federal government’s resources to demand a stop to it were justified in doing so, both ethically and in service of the founding delcaration of the US: a nation where “all men are created equal”. But the federal government would not have been able to do that without support from the northern states. Conversely, today we find ourselves fast approaching a situation where the federal government will have total control over the states, regardless of what they or their “activist judges” want.
Now I agree that a peaceful, democratic secession of a state should not necessarily be precluded by the US federal government, but 1) I understand why that’s not how it currently works, and 2) that’s not the situation we find ourselves in.
that Germany is would be different
I hope we can agree that “different” and “not surviving” is not the same thing!
But I hope we all agree that that’s a BS argument.
No it’s not, according to the rules of the federation, no state is allowed to secede according to the constitution!!
You seem to be arguing from a personal opinion of what USA should be rather than reality of what it really is.
today we find ourselves fast approaching a situation where the federal government will have total control over the states,
Yes that’s true, and it’s not supposed to be like that, but in reality it always was a risk by the way the federation clearly always can trump the states. This is VERY different from EU, which is built with way way higher without comparison better protection of the member states.
