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Ultimately, it’s his call.

This is checks calendar 2024. Candidates don’t need to debate, they all have to agree to it. If Trump doesn’t want to debate, then it’s not going to happen unless they basically give into his demands, because ignoring debates no longer looks bad (which is insane, but here we are).

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It’s not that he needs to do the debate, but he did the first because it fed his ego of being a strong man. So, him having to back out of the debate without having a scapegoat will eat at his ego of a strong man. So this word salad he spews setting the stage to duck the debate is as about rationalizing it to his ego far more than any real campaign reasoning. Trump does everything for Trump, and this whole campaign is largely about getting in the White House so he can stay out of the big house (prison).

Edit victim of autocorrect

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Which is why this is all so exciting.

This is like her specialty.

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Is it?

I get that she was a prosecutor, but I’m simultaneously hearing people make this claim and at the same time say they haven’t seen her debate much, or she was unremarkable.

Guess I just don’t want to get my hopes too high. We really need someone quick-witted and who can bat the bullshit down.

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Yeah, seems likely that other republicans knew Biden’s condition was worse than the campaign was letting on and Trump was banking on that for the debate (and election in general).

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Well listening to all the conspiracies coming from the Right prior to the debate they expected the Biden we saw at the State of the Union. And afterwards they accused him of being on performance enhancing drugs (because he could make whole logical sentences that Trump is struggling with these days).

Trump had a plan of just spewing a bunch of shit and calling Joe names, full stop. He got lucky that Joe made that easier for him, although he still made more sense than Trump. The Right has been running on the following since Trump announced:

  1. The immigrants that our economy depends on are out to replace white people/kill and rape white women/bring crime.

  2. Joe is old/sleepy (and sometimes responsible for things Trump did).

  3. Bury any mention of Project 2025 because nobody but elite Christofascists will benefit from it, and thus wildly unpopular even with the right.

  4. Keep Trump out of jail.

Edit ugh spell check

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It still very much looks bad. You come across as spineless, especially if you’re not way ahead in the polls.

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Oh it looks bad, just not to an insane 30% of Americans who avoid reality as much as they can

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I think debates don’t really matter anymore because what these people say and do is reported on constantly all day every day. That wasn’t how it used to be.

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If debates didn’t matter, Biden would still be the nominee.

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You know that the debate response had nothing to do with the debate topics or responses. Any other press conference that day would have likely had the same response. It wasn’t what he was saying that was the problem.

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Debates don’t matter and that is a prime example. Trump gave no coherent answers while Biden was able to answer all but 2 questions. Yet the response was as if biden answered 0 questions and Trump intellectually ran circles around him.

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That’s not necessarily represenative of how they act in person, spontaneously.

I go in assuming all social media is basically a lie.

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Why are you getting your news from social media?

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Also the format of the debates is pretty terrible. Giving only 2 minutes to answer on complex social and geopolitical topics only lends itself to trying to make the best sound-bite. I would love to see them experiment with longer form responses (even if that means fewer questions each debate), as well as things like cutaways for adding context and fact-checking.

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I would like the debate moderators to be less cowardly and I would like the fact checking. There should be a buzzer when a candidate tells a blatant lie.

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He would be giving her an entire hour of free prime time media.

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