Nah. I mean I’m German and what you’re saying is literally what we’ve been hearing from Neonazi circles for decades. It’s historically wrong and actually antisemitic.
The holocaust is the name for this specific event and there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.
It’s kind of insane that this neonazi propaganda is now being adopted from what I assume are leftists.
Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda
The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Once you add their descendents (we don’t know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
And it’s not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.
Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.
My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn’t know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi’s never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.
But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli’s, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi’s did.
The transatlantic slave trade, horrible as it was, took hundreds of years to make its victims, and was not a campaign of targeted extermination. There was little to no care for the slaves’ lives, but their murder wasn’t the goal.
The Holocaust only lasted from 41 to 45. 6 million jews were murdered in a span of only 4 years. In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That’s nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide. It’s the same amount of people who died on board of the slave ships spanning from the 16th to the 19th century. No genocide in history has a higher death rate than that. 90+% of Polish jews were murdered, a near total extinction.
That’s what people refer to when they talk about the largest industrial genocide. No other genocide in our history has come close. The numbers do not lie, and calling the memory of the Holocaust “zionist propaganda” is pretty sickening. It’s not just zionists that claim this you know, reputable historians around the world do.
10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Source?
living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Source?
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery
I’ll let you have this one
Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
So? The US is in the wrong for not compensating, Germany is actually trying at least.
not the 20 million Slavs.
We’re discussing the Holocaust perpetuated by the Nazi regime against Jewish people and other so-called ‘undesireable’ humans, not Stalin’s crimes against the people he was ostensibly responsible for. Stay on topic.
Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
Why are you using ethnic homogeneity as an argument in your favor? Especially when trying to minimize the Jewish Holocaust in favor of painting the USSR as the victim‽
The Nazi’s never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi’s did
Source? Pretty sure we had some pretty public trials over those claims already.
I don’t even disagree with you about Gaza, you’ve just got incredibly shit takes on history.
Holocaust is not just another word for genocide. It describes the systematic, industrialized killing of an entire ethnicity. Like modern industrial-capitalist logistic chains, the nazis optimized the KZs and their Hinterland for the maximum efficiency in killing Jews.
There has not been something like this in the entire history of humanity. Please educate yourself. I say that without judging you. I’m aware that there have been many other genocides, each one more terrible than one could put in words. And yes, Israel is committing on in Gaza right now, but that doesn’t diminish the enormous suffering of the Jewish people in the last century.
If what the Israeli government and army are doing right now makes you go “Well maybe the Holocaust wasn’t sooo bad, all things considered” then you have some real soul searching to do. Stop consuming propaganda.
It blows my mind man. You are saying things that could come verbatim from a torch-carrying skinhead during a NPD rally in Dresden. Yet you call yourself a leftist according to your profile? How does that even happen?
If his home instance is any indication, this absolutely tracks for the Midwest US. I grew up in the northern Midwest and drove past a Confederate flag frequently for the better part of 15 years. I got to thinking about it; I recognized it as a dog whistle for racism, but did the people who flew it so proudly recognize it as such?
And I realized they probably didn’t. They likely saw it as a ‘proud symbol of their good ole boy, “states rights fighters” Southern heritage.’ and frankly, that idea bothered me at a deeper level than if they were flying that flag as a dog-whistle.
The people of Germany have taken generational responsibility for the horrendous, genocidal 3rd Reich. They own it, they condemn it, and they do their best to combat misinformation about it.
Not so for the US. We tried, briefly, a little bit, to affect and promote Reconstruction. It failed pretty spectacularly thanks to Andrew Johnson’s vetoes. The ensuing decades saw white supremacists develop the Good Ole Boy myth, white-washing and denying the true reason they wanted to fracture the Union.
Jump to today; Germans arguing against anti-Semitism while the US is deporting brown people to concentration camps.
My passport arrived today, praise Satan. Trying to properly secure a work visa in the EU but will also have my bugout bag with documentation close at hand.
Speaking of; got any job opportunities for a 2 YOE mechanical engineer? Or advice on applying to Masters programs in Germany? I believe I can travel to and stay in the Schengen Zone for 90 days visa-free with the US passport, but I’m not sure if I’m able to convert that to a work permit.
Any EU friends able to help a worried AuDHD dude? I know zero people who have traveled internationally and I’m lost.
You could register on couch surfing, it might be a good place to meet people once you start exploring options in Europe. You can also ask questions and advice, there is also events organised by people so it works a bit like a forum/ social media platform. You don’t have (the intent) to host or stay with someone to use it as as a source of local info: https://www.couchsurfing.com/
Also maybe this is valuable (maybe less if you’re only interested in moving around in the Schengen area): https://www.passportindex.org/passport/united-states-of-america/
Germany is supporting Israel and it’s ongoing genocide. You’re not in much of a position to shake your finger.
Germany is not doing much better in the anti-Semitism department considering that Palestinians are semites and Germany has made it illegal to criticize Israel.
