cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28684388

In a recent escalation, Berlin authorities ordered the deportation of four pro-Palestine activists – three EU citizens and one American, none of whom were convicted of a crime. Rather, citing Staatsräson, their threatened deportation was for holding anti-Israel views. Although one of these deportations was later deemed invalid by the Berlin Administrative court, the move followed 18 months of cancellations, bans and dismissals of artists, academics and speakers – Palestinians, Jews, Israelis and others – for speaking out against Israel.

In a cruel historical twist, Germany, the perpetrator of the Holocaust, has enabled what numerous observers, including Amnesty International, have identified as a genocide of Palestinians. Rather than learning a universal historical lesson that applies to all people, Germany chose a particularist interpretation of its history, centered on the state’s relation to Israel.

The recent deportation order suggest a dramatic escalation in the influence of Staatsräson, which now seems to extends beyond foreign policy. For example, one controversial clause in a draft of the coalition agreement leaked last month proposes stripping dual nationals of German citizenship if they are found to be “supporters of terrorism, antisemites or extremists who jeopardize the free democratic order.”

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What we are seeing with those “palestine protestors” is the rise of a militant, extremist group that is commiting serious crimes. Today they were trying to occupy another Berlin university. Did massive property damage, showed Hamas symbols, showed antisemitic banners, sprayed antisemitic graffiti and so on. This is not the first act like this

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/erneute-besetzung-an-der-berliner-hu-polizei-raumt-horsaal--dutzende-anzeigen-gegen-palastina-aktivisten-13553092.html

There are attacks on cafés:

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/auseinandersetzungen-mit-nahost-bezug-frau-beschimpft-mitarbeiter-der-kneipe-bajszel-in-neukolln-13504810.html

They are seriously threatening journalists. In this case they put posters up with his picture, a Hamas symbol and are threatening to murder him.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/morddrohung-gegen-taz-journalisten-sie-glauben-keiner-wurde-sie-zur-rechenschaft-ziehen-13554487.html

Those are only the news from today. If you search on local news sites, you will find more serious crimes and terrorism. Nothing of that will help anybody in Gaza.

I personally do not believe anything they are saying. They have lied about their case before in their Guardian article and there really is a big legal difference between protesting and showing support for a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

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I do not agree with your arguments. Georg von Holtzbrinck has been dead for 42 years. And that the editor in chief has written two (!) articles for the Jüdische Allgemeine is also not really something that disqualifies the whole newspaper. So please stop demonizing newspapers which are not 100% supporting your own view.

And in this case: There is a picture in the article and you really can’t argue with that. You can see the banner with “intifada until victory” with the Hamas symbol. That is nothing where the past of the long dead founder of the newspaper has a role.

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That’s a bunch of nonsense.

  • Holtzbrinck is, in general, a center-left publishing house, as you could see from their papers Zeit, Tagesspiegel, and to some degree also the finance-focused Handelsblatt.
  • Almost every single German company that’s over 80 years old has a Nazi past. That doesn’t mean that every descendent of the founder is a nazi.
  • What’s that argument about Nazi past of the founder and thus not being able to trust their coverage of Israel?
  • German press is indeed often friendly to Israel and you’re free to not believe their coverage, but papers like Tagesspiegel wouldn’t debase themselves so much as to publish fake photos. Banners like this, with the red triangle, celebrating “resistance” are explicitly pro-Hamas:

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To be honest, I am completely lost on why the focus is on universities. Germany has factories that make actual weapons used to kill Palestinians. They can sell those weapons because the government allows it. In fact the German government could easily force universities to stop working with their Israel counterparts as they have done with institutions from e.g. Iran or NK. Why focus your efforts on people that try to learn and people that try to teach? It’s really baffling to me.

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