It’s an additional […] point for water ingress.

the whole back panel is a big point of water ingress when that is not glued shut hard

It takes up space which could be utilised otherwise, like with a slightly larger battery or larger speakers or camera modules.

I never needed the additional camera modules, and there were phones with single camera module that made very nice images. the jack is also often at the top of the device where the battery doesn’t reach, but in my phone there’s also enough place for it between the bottom and the battery for a jack connector. in a fairphone

It’s an additional part which needs to be manufactured, stocked, installed and purchased. Extra cost which only benefits a few.

exact same opinion about multiple camera modules. nobody really needs them.

I can’t have them connected to my headphones all the time because I connect headphones to other devices that all have a fucking headphone jack.

1. It’s an additional, and to most people superfluous, point for water ingress. Water damage is the most common type of damage in phones.

I’ve had watertight phones with a headphone jack over a decade ago.

2. It takes up space which could be utilised otherwise, like with a slightly larger battery or larger speakers or camera modules.

Yes. Anything you add to a phone is a tradeoff. No shit. These points are what is usually used to justify the lack of a jack. But maybe, just maybe, they don’t save as much money as they make with selling wireless headphones and this is just an excuse? Especially the big companies like Apple or Samsung that sell their own peripherals? And this whole thing is just an excuse to sell overpriced gadgets that need to be replaced every few years because of their batteries? Maybe, just maybe, it’d be valid if consumers still had a choice and could pick phones with or without a jack and would have to pay for the luxury of using decent headphones with a few milliamperehours?

3. It’s an additional part which needs to be manufactured, stocked, installed and purchased. Extra cost which only benefits a few. This is especially important to Fairphone in particular because they don’t use off-the-shelf components and promise to supply replacement parts pretty much indefinitely. I.e. Fairphone would have to design a custom module and then have that module in stock and manufactured specifically for them for the lifetime of each of their devices. That’s not a trivial expense.

Manufacturing a phone is not a trivial expense. Removing features is a business decision and a headphone jack costs money but doesn’t earn any whereas they can produce more cheaply without one. I get it. It’s just that doing so requires you to buy and use battery powered headphones that are much less sustainable than traditional magnets tied to a cable. How a company that lives off its promise to safe the world jumps on that wagon is a miracle to me. Companies that remove headphones don’t care about audio quality (which is why Sony still produces phones with audio jacks, I guess) or sustainability. Which is odd for a company like fp.

I didn’t insult you, I remarked that you didn’t appear to have understood my comment, and by the looks of it you still don’t.

Apologies if you’re upset by my comment. That was not my intent. I was just pointing out the absurdity of your judgemental comment.

I’m not the one taking issue with something I don’t own. That’s my entire point. You are discouraging someone from wanting something just because you personally don’t value it.

The piano is the headphone jack.

You don’t need a headphone jack, and feel the need to disparage others who do. “I don’t use a headphone jack, so you shouldn’t want a phone with one.”

Similarly, I don’t need a piano. However, I don’t go around telling people they shouldn’t want/play one, because I recognise that the things I want in my life are different to the things other people want in theirs.

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Ah interesting, thanks for context