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18 points

All these reports of travel warnings feel misleading to me.

A proper travel warning equates to insurance companies refusing to provide travel insurance, which directly impacts whether people would travel to the USA. None of the “warning” updates have gone to that level.

Updating travel guidance isn’t that big a deal.

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Does travel insurance have to pay out if your destination country kidnaps you and sends you to a prison in El Salvador or Cuba?

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Not sure – but it’s plausible that the media/bubbles are hyping up that sort of event, even if it’s an outlier. Like there are millions of visits to the US from Canada on a regular basis – one lady got put in a detention area, as a result of having wonky paper work on a longer term work visa (something most regular tourists/travellers don’t have to worry about).

As far as I know, travel advisories aren’t issued as a result of ‘cost to insurance companies’, but rather danger/risk to citizens travelling to those countries, imposed by governments. Travel insurance providers look at those, and determine risk/coverage based on that sort of information. So no explicit warning, implies there’s no significant risk, for most visitor types.

Advising something like “If you use X as a gender, make sure to carry additional paperwork/figure out additional rules”, isn’t something that’s going to cause a “generic” family to worry about going to Disney Land.

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It’s not like there is only the option of ‘no warning’ and ‘a warning’. These government warn people because they foresee a potential danger for their citizens. What makes this a big deal is that these warnings come from countries who are allies and used to have similar values. The fact that they don’t believe you are safe is one thing, but they basically also say they can’t use their diplomatic means to keep you safe and that really is imho why this is a very serious sign that the global order is shifting.

In general these warnings are not only for lgbtqi+ folk, but also for scientists and critical journalists. Think of other countries where those people aren’t safe, they are not western democracies like the US used to be.

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As another poster commented, the actual article doesn’t call it a ‘warning’. So, this does look like social media/bubble hyping up the issue.

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These warnings are what ministries of foreign affairs (= government officials) give out to their citizens. Newsweek is neither based in Norway nor written in Norwegian (it’s US-based), so saying it looks like something based on this single source isn’t adding much weight to your argument.

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I don’t know if it was updated, but the current title of the article is “Norway Issues Travel Update For US”, which better reflects what they did.

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Yeah, so it definitely gives the vibe of social media over hyping / trying to drive further wedges into western relations and opinions. Which is basically a Russian goal / propaganda tactic…

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Yeah. Its definitely not the fascism thats doing the heavy lifting here…

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I dont know about the others but all Canada did was literally just update the requirements for staying in the US for more than 30 days as per their rules. Its not a warning at all.

We SHOULD have a warning for visiting the states given the bullshit some of our travellers have faced. But thats not whats going on.

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It’s what it signals that matters in this case

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