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2 months ago

Could you legitimately explain this? I keep hearing that, but as far as I can tell, it’s not harder than:

ID: Buying alcohol, cigarettes?

Prov identity: Get financing, open bank account, drive car - nope you don’t get arrested for not having license anymore? This list is way harder than voting.

Why is voting hard?

They look at my drivers license and then I p ress buttons.

I don’t even have to be sane, educated one way or another, sober, etc.

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https://www.mapresearch.org/file/MAP-Identity-Documents-report-2022.pdf

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

1 point

2 months ago

Poor people often don’t have IDs and it’s a lot more expensive than “free” since it requires time and transportation to get them. They also may no longer have the documents needed to get an ID.

https://archive.is/dkBjA

Or if you’d prefer a longer analysis-

But I suppose poor people don’t deserve to vote.

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1 point

2 months ago

So when I read this, don’t think: “Let’s stop ID’ing people when they buy alcohol or weed” (someday), but instead I think: “Why aren’t IDs free!?”

If it’s critical and a civil need to ID people for all sorts of valid reasons, then it should be free/tax funded.

I’d rather tax money cover something like IDs than hear agreements about trying to restrict fraud. If you want to prevent voter fraud, eliminate reasons that allow the conditions to persist.

Thanks for the read. I do t have an easy idea for the time. Indiana BMV was massively improved a while ago. Maybe we need more of that. There’s probably no getting around taking the time to establish identity or dealing with stupid documents. We have to start somewhere.

…or the government records your DNA at birth, then we’re good. - j/k, that would scare everyone into rage and riots 🙃

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

1 point

2 months ago

Even free IDs would take time and money away from the poor in terms of time off of work (if they can get it) and transportation costs. And then they still have to have some documentation to prove who they are, which they may not have. Replacing those documents take even more time effort and it isn’t free.

I was born in Monroe County. Google tells me replacing my birth certificate if I’ve lost it is $16. I don’t know what I need to do for that $16, because their website is broken.

Meanwhile, this is what you need to obtain an ID in Indiana:

Make no mistake, this is all about stopping people from voting.

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1 point

2 months ago

I get it, but I disagree. I don’t it’s about voting, I think it affects voting.

I’d rather fix the poor problem than allow voter fraud.

The fees for everything we need government services for, like getting a document is outrageous. Why the he’ll do we pay taxes to fund government agencies local/state/etc and then still pay fees?

That’s double taxation. I think that’s the real fight on poor people. That document fee is over some people’s hourly wage, but yet it’s required.

That’s about like having to be in debt in order to build credit. It all serves to take money from working class to wealthy.

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world

0 points

2 months ago

You are stuck on the fees.

Again-

You need time off to go to get the ID. Work may not give you the time off.

You need to pay for transportation to get the ID. You may not be able to afford to.

You need the documentation to get the ID. You may not have it.

It is not just the fees.

I’d rather fix the poor problem than allow voter fraud.

Cool, please show evidence of any sort of major voter fraud that was solved by requiring voter IDs. Good luck.

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1 point

2 months ago

Can anyone prove definitely that corrupt politicians are trying to keep poor voters from voting?

Still seems like an assertion that’s a matter of opinion.

Did anyone throw the same fit about driving cars? You have to take the same time off work and get all the same documents to do literally every other civil function: legally drive to work, open a bank account for direct deposit, get a credit card, get medical treatment, get insurance, file taxes, etc. You have to pay for transportation to the grocery store if you don’t have a car.

Why is just one political group making a fuss about it, which seems to be really focus on voting? You only vote once in a while. You do or use those other examples every day.

I feel like a larger issue is just being exploited for political people to make victom statements.

Why is voting less important to prove identity than buying alcohol?

I’m not a citizen of this country. You’re saying I can/should vote? That’s illegal, but what stops me. I could do it a bunch of times too, I just go to different places.

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