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40 points

There is so much that is unknown. Everything about his true motives will, likely, be speculation forever. But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.

This kid was 20 though. He might have had psychosis. Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley. This is around the age things like schizophrenia start to present themselves IIRC. This might have been a suicide by cop type situation and he wanted to be famous in the process? Who the hell knows.

What if we had a law that you had to be 21 to buy guns though? That’s in line with “common sense” gun control. I’ve heard Obama say that phrase countless times since Sandy Hook. It could have made this a little different, maybe? It almost certainly would have prevented Uvalde. This is political violence, it’s horrible, I think this will help Trump win. Any left leaning person with half a brain can see that imo. This is also gun violence though. Gun control has to part of the answer to this. Remember who the Brady Bill was named after.

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This kid was 20 though. He might have had psychosis. Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley. This is around the age things like schizophrenia start to present themselves IIRC.

This is highly true and not something I’ve seen anyone bring up until now. It’s a good point and I think it actually might be pretty likely. Good job.

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8 points

The gun wasn’t his. He stole it from his dad. In a country with more guns than people it’s simply impossible to disarm the bad guys.

Instead maybe we should tackle things like mental illness, lack of critical thinking skills, cognitive dissonance, and the destruction of family values. Also people should have to go through training and be licensed to be allowed on the internet.

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9 points

Why not both? Tackle guns with more control and better mental health care and education.

Disarming bad guys shouldn’t be the goal. Much like smoking in the UK. You wont stop all the older generationa from smoking but you can make it illegal for all the younger generations and over a longer peeiod of time theres no kne left that smokes.

If you tackle guns now and provide greater control over ownership whilst simultaneously educating younger people you will effectively prevent this sort of crim in the future.

At least thats my view.

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Apparently the shooter didn’t have any social media accounts.

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1 point

What a psycho posts from lemmy, my only social account

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36 points

False dichotomy.

Every other country the world over is trying to reduce the number of guns around and improve mental health.

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But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.

Sirhan Sirhan would vehemently disagree.

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33 points

I understand the sentiment but I’d be a fan of having an adult age across the board.

If you can be drafted, you should be able to drink, buy guns, rent cars, vote, etc. That should all be at the same age, whatever that age is.

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4 points

Yeah, and I generally think it should be 18. Some rights should come sooner such as medical autonomy and Romeo and Juliet style consent, but once you hit the age of adulthood you’re legally an adult

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6 points

You can legally rent a car at 18, it’s just that no company wants to rent to you.

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8 points

Couldn’t agree more. Let’s make the adult age a nice even 20 and call it a day.

(Or ideally 25 if you want to be more realistic about it, given the rate that people mature at, but I have a feeling that would be extremely unpopular.)

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7 points

I think 25 is far too old. We already have a problem of not letting teenagers learn to become an adult. Yes you’re going to make stupid decisions in your early 20s, you’re better off making a variety of stupid decisions while you’re still maturing rather than waiting until you’ve finished before taking actions that have consequences.

Also imagine being a 24 year old who either is expected to live with your parents or get an adult to cosign your lease. Or can’t vote. Or can’t decide to have certain medical procedures like an abortion without parental permission. We’ve become far too comfortable with the idea we need to legally disenfranchise young people further.

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So would someone over 25 dating someone younger than 25 be legislated?

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3 points

Ya the military would go bonkers

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And be president. How about 35 for the adulthood age?

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I mean why stop there? I say 65, no, 95 should be the age everyone is considered an adult.

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Hell yeah, and very strong anti-child-labor laws.

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By all reports, his father bought the gun. While I agree with them, your suggestions would have done literally nothing in this situation.

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13 points

It was reported that the weapon was his father’s.

Sometimes not even a safe will keep everything locked up. With enough time you can saw through most of the commercially available ones.

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With enough time you can saw through most of the commercially available ones.

This is technically true but with the amount of time and effort it takes to get through a good portion of the safes I’ve seen, it would honestly be easier to go and steal one from some schmuck with a truck gun or whatever that’s insecurely, uhhh, secured.

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Do we know in this case whether or not the gun was even kept in a safe?

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There are insurance/registration issues that can address that. Of course there endless possible hypotheticals. I’m personally in favor of some sort of “drivers license” equivalent for guns.

But a 21 year old age limit almost certainly would have prevented Uvalde.

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disagree. if people want to do something, terrible or not, they will find a way illegally.

I’m going to go very basic here and say look at piracy.

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10 points

I am highly skeptical of registration because there is a 99.99% certainty that it will be the GOP to use it and strip away weapons from anyone who is not a registered Republican.

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Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley.

That may just be the last one you were aware of, there have been a number of attempts since, several involving guns being fired at the president (or fired at a position the shooter thought he was)

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22 points

Dudes just ignoring the shoes thrown at Bush

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8 points

Props to the guy for getting shoe #2 off even if W did dodge

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Valid, I’m sure. Hinkley was the last that made anytype of major news, unless I’m mistaken.

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