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8 points

6 months ago

It is self serving. That’s the purpose. You’re not taking their concern seriously, so they’re pulling the trigger and saying “Fine, then I’m voting for the thing you fear more than I do.” We don’t live in a perfect world. Flawed people are voting too. Rejecting their look on things might be morally just, but you might just lose the presidency over it. It’s just like getting into a fatal accident on purpose because you “had the right of way”. And some people are seeing this coming, so even if they’d never vote Republican they still see the losing situation not speaking up puts them in.

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP

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1 point

6 months ago

All I see is infighting when the threat is very real and is very apparent. There is also every angle to bury the Trump but all people can do is turn on each other. These are obvious distractions and if you keep letting them trip you up, as they are intended to, trump will win.

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4 points

6 months ago

If you can admit the threat is very real and apparent, then you should be in favor of the best candidate the democrats can offer, not specifically Joe Biden. If Joe Biden was that candidate, it wouldn’t even be a question and only a small minority of dissenters would be of that opinion. But instead he’s already the incumbent, which is essentially the best boost you can get, and he’s still making people doubt him. Infighting isn’t resolved by slamming your fist on the table and saying “I’m right, and nobody else gets a say.”. That’s how the Republicans got Trump. Infighting is resolved by getting people together, by making compromises and forging alliances. If you aren’t going to treat democracy as the process to get the most people satisfied with the result, it’s no wonder things get more polarized every time.

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP

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-1 points

6 months ago

Sorry but democracy was what the primaries were for. Having the DNC pick a candidate is not democracy. I was all for primaring biden but what you refuse to see is no one would let it happen. So convenient now that everything is on the line we must doubt everything. Such a fucked way to do “democracy.”

The Republicans may not be valid and may not be just but God damn they are wiping the floor with us at every level of government.

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4 points

6 months ago

You’re right. That’s not democracy either. Real democracy doesn’t happen just at votes. It also happens in these kinds of discussions. And it adapts to new information.

I actually think a lot changed between that decision and now. I don’t think anywhere near as many people doubted Joe Biden back then because his actions in the last four years spoke loud enough. But as the vote gets closer, confidence isn’t measured in objectivity but in the effectiveness of appeal to voters.

Joe Biden might still be the best pick at the end of the day, but if that comes to be it needs to be because the concerns have been resolved and the opposition satisfied. You have four months and his candidacy isn’t even locked in. Other countries can fit 4 elections in that same period. A single good debate can swing votes, but if Joe keeps it up he will not swing back hard enough.

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP

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5 points

6 months ago

Joe should not be the issue in the election. When has a FELON ever run for president?! Why is the SUPREME COURT declaring the president KING!? You’ve all lost the fucking thread and I don’t know why I bother.

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5 points

6 months ago

You’re legitimately looking at this too rationally. Because you’re absolutely right, but that’s just not the reality of the situation. The reality is that only about 40% of people are going to vote for Joe Biden no matter what. Trump doesn’t have a guaranteed majority either, but you need that final 10% (or more or less because of the Electoral College) to be convinced Joe Biden will deliver on the things they consider Trump for. And if that concern is that he’s not ‘strong’ enough to stand up to China or something because he’s too ‘weak’ of a president, you must not ignore that because you need these people to get the goal you desire.

Converting the other people in the country back to rational people just isn’t going to happen this election. It’s a process that might take generations to be reverted. You need this victory now to even get a chance at starting that process. And by showing them their concerns matter and you don’t just want to dismiss them, is part of regaining that trust and building a foundation to depolarize.

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