You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
1 point

Turing machines can’t exist, either.

Oh no! You got me there!

Why do you need uncountable infinities for hypercomputers, though?. I see that Martin Davis criticism has to do with that approach, and I agree this approach seems silly. But, it doesnt seem to cover all potential fronts for hypercomputers. Im not talking about current approaches to quantum computing either. What if some yet unknown physical law makes arrangements of particles somehow solve the first order logic validity problem, which is also not in R? Doesnt involve uncountable infinity at all. Again, im not saying its possible, just that theres no purely logical proof of impossibility, thats all.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

first order logic validity problem

Validity is RE (semidecidable), Satisfiability is undecidable.

How do we figure out that your fancy new law is actually the oracle you claim it is? It could be lying to us, to establish the thing as an oracle we’d have to be able to either inspect it or unit-test it over the whole infinite range.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Right, validity is semidecidable, just like the halting problem.

We might never know for certain that any natural law is true, we might never be certain that that oracle actually solves validity. But that doesnt prevent the oracle from working. My point is that its existence is possible, not that we will ever be able to trust it.

Besides, we dont know that the physical laws we work with today are true, but we nevetheless use them for practical purpuses all the time.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

I mean if the point is that we know that we know nothing then I’ll agree.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Technology

!technology@lemmy.world

Create post

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


Community stats

  • 14K

    Monthly active users

  • 6.8K

    Posts

  • 158K

    Comments