i pick no side here, both of you were acerbic in the discussion which is why it went nowhere. i hope you can use the lens of crt in future debates so they don’t end up so frothing with rage is all.

Fuck off Squid, I’m trying to enjoy my holiday. I have done nothing but participate in good faith. Not just as in a veneer of politeness, but truly to attempt to engage your real beliefs and express my own, fairly reasonable ones. But that’s proven impossible since you’ve been intent on doing nothing but make accusations, twist my words to the worst possible interpretations, nitpick irrelevant points, and respond only to attack my position rather than to understand it. You’ve barely even presented your own. If you want to imagine me as some racist crybaby who can’t handle your epic takedowns, go ahead, but don’t claim it as reality.

I know you’re not a lost cause, so I’ll leave you with some advice. Don’t assume everyone is your enemy. You’ll have a much more enjoyable time trying to engage and have a real conversation than trying to put others down. You might discover that the person you assumed the worst of has essentially the same position as you, just from a different perspective. Feel free to respond and take the last word; I won’t reply. I wouldn’t have replied to this either but it was especially hostile so I felt the need to chime in.

Hell yeah !

Despite the whole culture war where left leaning folks defended CRT, I get lots of downvotes when I bring up how it can actually benefit discussions by removing the need to endlessly debate whether the other person is racist. So it’s heartening to hear one person had their interest piqued along with the regular onslaught of downvotes :)

Got it. Just like all those racist Native Americans who say things like, “white people stole our land.”

Right?

If you agree with something that is true, you’re a racist? What?

Is “black people are far more likely than anyone else to get sickle cell anemia” racist? Because it is a sweeping generalization.

Or, if you want to go back to white people and crime, how about- “69.9% of arrested criminals in 2019 were white?” I have to disagree with that fact or I’m a racist? I have to deny reality if I don’t want to be a racist? That’s really what you think?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Traditionally based on what? What tradition is this? Who made it a tradition?

And if you can’t determine the criteria for whiteness, how can you know if anything you say is racist? It could be true once you determine the criteria.

Also:

without knowing if some particular country’s population is generally considered to be black.

Jews don’t have a country. Jew and Israeli are not synonyms. That is bigotry.