cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/21429342
It would be a ‘critical position for fighting Trump’ if you hadn’t voted Trump in.
The “habitual losers” won last time around.
Who voted Trump in? You got the centrist campaign of your dreams in Harris and Trump won the popular vote after gaining in every key demographic. The American people voted Trump in because the Democratic party is completely out of touch.
The left isn’t telling Democrats how to get our votes. Progressives are the most reliable voters in the country. We’re telling the Democrats how to reach the vast majority of apolitical Americans who pay attention for a month or two every four years. That’s exactly the group that voted Trump in.
The “habitual losers” won last time around.
And how’d that turn out? Being 1 out of 3 against a guy who campaigns on Arnold Palmer’s Dick isn’t exactly something to brag on. Also, in what might be a shock to many Democrats, there are thousands of elected offices between the Federal and state governments. The Democrats massively underperformed everywhere and with every demographic. But sure, it’s ridiculous to think that should lead to some reflection and reform. Maybe next time the Republicans will find someone weaker than Trump and we’ll be golden.
Yes! Let’s have some reflection and not pick the timescale to suit a narrative. The “habitual losers” won 3 of the last 5. Pelosi, Clinton, Biden etc. were all very present when Obama was in the Whitehouse.
I totally agree that it’s ridiculous to lose to Trump, but you can’t claim that they lost because their platform could never win, because it already has - including against Trump.
Why did they lose? I don’t know - but I do know that you aren’t going to find the answer if you start from a false premise.
Let’s have some reflection and not pick the timescale to suit a narrative.
You picked the timescale of two elections. Then I expanded it to three and that was out of bounds, but five is fine again? You make it difficult to assume you are arguing in good faith.
The “habitual losers” won 3 of the last 5
Apparently you missed the point that the presidency isn’t the only office that matters. Anyways, in the course of winning 3/5, Democrats lost the working class and gen-z. That indicates a trend.
I would also argue that Obama’s first win shouldn’t count. Hillary was the establishment candidate and she lost to Obama running on a reform platform of “change”. Then he got elected and suddenly became just another manager of the status quo. In the course of Obama’s two terms, Democrats lost over 1000 seats across the country. Even in victory, Obama was massive loser for the Democrats.
Obama held on well enough while Republicans kept ran establishment candidates. That ended when Trump ran a right wing populist campaign. He was full of shit, but he was the only candidate actually talking to most of the country.
Democrats won in 2020 because of Trump’s obvious mishandling of the COVID crisis. Even so, it was a close race in three critical swing states.
Why did they lose? I don’t know
They lost because we are living in a populist age. We have record income inequality and an economy that feels more and more like a scam every day. People see that and want someone to blame. Republicans have villains and narratives and Democrats don’t. Democrats could put the blame where it belongs (with Wall Street and corporate America) but they won’t. That leaves a vacuum where Republicans blame minorities. A bigoted narrative beats no narrative.
