Summary
Sen. John Fetterman faced backlash from progressives after his first post on Truth Social calling the hush-money case against Trump “bullshit” and suggested pardons for both Trump and Hunter Biden.
Fetterman reiterated his stance from recent interviews, arguing such cases erode public trust in institutions.
The response has been divisive, with Trump supporters and progressives both criticizing him.
Fetterman’s broader shifts, including support for Israel and mocking climate activists, have alienated some Democratic supporters while gaining him favor among conservatives.
Please don’t equate Judaism with support for Israel. Some of the most anti Israel people are Jews. Fuck the zionists.
- a Jew
We’re talking the reality of statistics here, even if they tread on taboos. Across jewish american respondents theres high support for both the state of israel generally, and israels actions in palestine. Isnt there.
So we end up with hard truths. Stats are stats, and for the Fettermans of the world-- money is money, when used as bribes to purchase political outcomes like brutally silencing students and professors, and news commentators expressing their right of political free speech. I worry about the very real bad outcomes for them more than the possible hurt feeling of a minority portion of religious group. You want to be mad at someone, be mad at the far right of that group for their self-abasing terrorism.
And where is the sympathy for muslims in general and muslim americans specifically? I havent seen anything but bashing of them in a long time, from both parties. Thats unamerican. Are you worried at all for them?
I hear very little sympathy for the crushing of our constitutionally guaranteed right of free speech, and thats unamercian. I’m tired of it. So feel free to wring your hands on your cause, and I’ll wring my hands on mine, That IS American.
Or its supposed to be anyway.
There’s a large contingent of anti Zionist Jews in America. Stop conflating Judaism with Zionism.
62% of American jews say the way Israel is carrying out its revenge on all Palestnians for Hamas’s actions in October is “acceptable”. 33% say its “unacceptable.” 5% unsure.
Draw your own conclusions from those statistical facts, but dont tell me how I’m allowed or disallowed to view that data, and wrap insinuations and accusations in that suit your narrative. Thats not your business and I have politcal free speech. Facts are facts.
What I dont hear from the broader jewish community is sympathy or support for Muslims, I’ll tell you that straight up. Are Palestinians coequal human beings worthy of rights the same as every other human, goy or not? I’d like to hear you explicitely say it before I take you at all seriously. I’ve been asked for a year if I condemn Hamas oct 7 attacks, so I’d say my question of you is more than fair.
edit: I stand by the below text only if the user hadn’t gone on to spout blatant dogwhistles and misinformation. The above comment is fine, but all the conversation below is demonstrably false and if the mod team of this community had any integrity this would receive a penalty.
I don’t think kreskin was equating the two. At worst, that comment expresses the political force that Fetterman is leveraging by messaging toward a group that is primed to be (unfortunately) significantly Zionist due to Israeli/Zionist propaganda.
In other words, Israel is the primary actor conflating Judaism and Zionism (as I’m sure we both know). kreskin is saying that Fetterman is aware of the prevalence of that lie (whether he thinks it to be a lie or not) in the Jewish American population of his district, and is exploiting it for political footing. That doesn’t mean that kraeskin thinks that lie is true, only that they are aware that it is prevalent.
I skimmed your argument below and I don’t see much of anything that contradicts my more charitable reading of the above, though I am welcome to examples.
The dudes comments are all Nazi dog whistles. Saying Zionism started with the Romans and that the Jews “genocided” them (lolololol Romans were colonizers) is quite the elders of Zion kind of bullshit that’s fascist pretending to be “just asking questions” and “history nerd”. Then he acts like it’s a gotcha that my dates off the top of my head are 10 years off as opposed to a fucking millennium or more.
Israel is the primary actor trying to conflate being Zionist with being Jewish. As a result we have anti semitic assholes like the dude I was responding to pretending that their anti semitism is actually anti Zionism. Israel’s actions make the world more dangerous for Jews worldwide intentionally to get the diaspora to make Aaliyah and join the IDF and make Jewish babies for the IDF and the settler movement. Despite a solid third of us being strongly anti Zionist and pro Palestinian according to this waste of oxygen it’s safe to assume all Jews support Israel’s bullshit.
And then typical .world mod bullshit. Leave the Nazi comments up, moderate mine into silence. Typical liberals. Oh no I used bad bad words!
this is sadly one of the jordanlund communities. this isn’t a politics community so much as a place for that mod team to screw around—there isn’t even a full “misinformation” rule, it’s all lumped under “no memes trolling or low effort.”
this is a massive community that is understaffed—id guess mods look at each report for all of 3 seconds and only act on the obvious violations. it shouldn’t be this way, but you kind of have to operate within the rules if you want to have any positive effect. that user who is doing dogwhistles knows this, and took advantage of your low hanging fruit of uncivil language to get a free pass to stay under the radar.
