I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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The idea of Ukraine joining NATO was literally unimaginable before Russian aggression. After the fall of the soviet union there were multiple agreements like the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine and Budapest Memorandum that basically established Ukraine as a sovereign and neutral nation under the protection of the west and east. Even after Russian interventions in Ukraine and finally the taking of Crimea, NATO members like Germany were still vocal about never letting Ukraine in.

Also if Russia truly cared about NATO expansion, how come we barely hear anything about Finland and Sweeden? I occasionally even forget they’re a part of it now.

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Shows how little u know. Ukraine literally put NATO into the constitution prior to 2022.
Then zelensky tried to get nuclear weapons.

Again - don’t follow msm, they have an agenda.

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And you surely don’t have an agenda.

That’s why you come here with lies lmao

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I don’t care about Ukraine. I don’t want my money going into military to support a country that has universal health care while I still do t have universal health care.

Fund universal healthcare, not Ukraine or Israel.

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Ukraine literally put NATO into the constitution prior to 2022.

Everyone knows that’s how becoming a NATO member works!

The EU works that way too! You tell them you want to join, make it super official that you pretty please want to join, and then you’re in!

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Citation needed.

The Ukranian constitution has no amendments even mentioning NATO.

And Zelenky demanding nuclear weapons is a recent development. So not “tried” but “trying right now”. Not even the Russians claimed such prior.

And I don’t watch MSNBC or whatever else “msm” is supposed to be. Bold of you to assume I not only watch American news, but also a specific broadcaster. That’s got to be like a less than 50% chance.

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MSM is mainstream media rather than a broadcaster. I actually hear it a lot from conservatives who are somehow convinced that Fox News isn’t mainstream media despite being the USA’s most watched network.

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NATO members like Germany were still vocal about never letting Ukraine in.

I sometimes think that it was exactly because they expected things to go as they did. If they let Ukraine in, they would need to weasel out of helping help, after all

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In the case of Finland, it’s because they kicked Russia’s ass last time and they would do it again.

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They just have to announce that they’ve cloned Simo Häyhä and Russia won’t even look at them sideways.

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We lost, both times.

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