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Now if Democrats were politically savvy, which they aren’t, and could actually understand the average American, they’d be hammering this point about Republicans not bringing down prices until the next century.

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That would require the help of the media, and we all know that’s not going to happen.

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44 points

Doesn’t really matter. Republican voters won’t hear it from any of their info sources.

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23 points

The sad fact that we let a propoganda outlet fester for 3 decades without so much as even calling it out.

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Where’ve you been? It’s been called out since its inception, and ramping up in intensity as time goes on and it gets worse.

It literally just makes them watch harder because “if they hate it so much it must be true!”

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8 points

Yup. They are coddled in a media system that won’t let them know any real facts.

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So you’re telling me the Democrats have a messaging problem?

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Iono… after the NYT op-ed, does it matter? There’s no bullhorn. I guess social media?

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The problem is that Dems are beholden to the truth. They probably couldn’t *bring down grocery prices either because it doesn’t work like that, so they can’t hold the other party to it either.

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I don’t think what you said is clear, but to the extent that it is, I feel like it doesn’t make sense.

The Democrats don’t need to lie in order to point out that Trump was being a lying piece of s*** when he talked about bringing down prices. That’s true, they can quote him time and again, and media that is sympathetic to the Democrats could do the same if it chose to, but it won’t.

Also, many Democratic politicians and centrist media are not people or companies that I would particularly describe as highly truthful. They say true things a lot more than Donald Trump does, but that’s a rather low bar.

Finally, there are so many obvious things that Democratic politicians could do if they were serious about addressing the problem with expensive groceries. What if they push to raise the minimum wage and key it to the cost of living? What if they bust up the corporations that dominate the grocery store and food distribution industries? I feel like both of those could greatly impact the price of food.

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Ok let’s play this out.

Dems say “Trump didn’t bring down grocery prices. He lied.” It really doesn’t accomplish much.

The message people want is “Trump didn’t bring down grocery prices. He lied. We would have brought them down.” Dems can’t say that because they know bringing prices down is hard af, prices are sticky, and there’s a good chance they wouldn’t have been successful. They may have, but there’s no guarantee and they know it. Because that’s how economics work. Dems can’t say that message because they are beholden to the truth.

What they are left with is the much weaker message of: “Trump didn’t bring down grocery prices. He was unsuccessful. We would have tried to resolve the supply chain issues, and would pushed for higher wages indexed to cost of living, oh and investigate price fixing by companies.” It’s weak, wordy, and relies on mechanisms that people don’t care to hear about. They have to tip toe around what they can say because they are beholden to the truth.

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Further propagating the misinformation that the President has any reasonably effective way to lower grocery prices? Nixon’s grocery price fixing was an unmitigated disaster. An Executive Order is the only tool in the President’s toolbox for controlling grocery prices without congressional legislation. Biden couldn’t lower prices in 2020, just as Trump can’t lower them in 2024.

POTUS is responsible for many important things. The price of a bottle of Coke is not one of them.

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Presidents and administrations might not be able to dictate specific prices, but they can and do enact laws and regulations that influence or even define the economy. Trump’s proposed tariffs are expected –not just by economists, but by markets, as seen after the election– to raise prices and, if they are enacted and result in the predicted outcome, fingers should be pointed at his Orangeness.

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The President does not create laws, Congress does. The President can repeal laws, which doesn’t help in this context.

Tariffs are not laws. They are an additional tax, and you’re correct in stating that they certainly won’t lower prices.

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Apart from the fact that he literally said he would, sure. Completely ignore all the claims made, and there’s no expectation that they would bring down grocery prices.

Of course that’s only if you ignore the things they said, with their mouths, while being recorded.

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The Republicans have the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency. Trump can either lead his party to deliver for the American people, or he can’t. If executive orders are all he can do, then he really is a failure.

As for the powers of the executive, he may not have any direct ability to dictate prices, but tariffs and antitrust are pretty significant tools. If Trump’s FTC allows the Albertsons Kroger merger that Biden’s FTC blocked, then we’ll know he never intended to do anything about grocery prices.

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Currently, yes. Republicans have the trifecta. They could affect grocery prices, but I don’t see Republicans infringing on ‘free enterprise’ like that.

The point I initially made is that the President alone cannot do anything to fix grocery costs without a systemic meltdown, so voters shouldn’t even be casting their presidential ballot on this topic.

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POTUS is responsible for many important things. The price of a bottle of Coke is not one of them.

I kept asking all the ding-a-lings that were going on about the price of eggs and blaming Biden what exact mechanism Biden used to cause inflation, etc…

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4 points

Yup, not politically savvy at all.

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Please educate me. Explain how the President can quickly fix grocery prices without an Executive Order? I haven’t seen anything else that can be done solely by the President.

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