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-33 points

Regular old people get murdered all the time. Sometimes in targeted assassinations. The killers get caught all the time.

The cops spend nowhere near this amount of resources, obviously, but saying the killer would never be found is nonsense.

Prisons are not filled with murderers who have only been convicted of murdering the wealthy.

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That’s still part of the problem with the justice system and prisons generally aren’t filled with murderers.

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Are you saying there aren’t a lot of murderers in prisons?

And people really think murderers only get caught if they only murder rich people?

Because otherwise I don’t understand the downvotes. I can provide so many examples of poor people getting murdered and the murderer going to prison. Is there really a claim that doesn’t happen?

Again, the cops spend nowhere near the amount of resources on such murders, but that doesn’t mean that they all go unsolved.

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Are you saying there aren’t a lot of murderers in prisons?

Definitely not. Simply that prisons generally aren’t filled with a majority of murderers.

people really think murderers only get caught if they only murder rich people?

You’re getting downvoted because this a bizarre extrapolation from my original comment. A ghost gun with a silencer, very little unintentional evidence, and a clean getaway is a hell of a case to crack. They barely managed it even with all the resources they used, and I have my doubts that Luigi is just a scapegoat. If you or I were killed like this, our murderer would not be caught.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/crime-without-punishment-new-york/

Seems like it’s pretty much a coin flip. Also (to no one’s surprise) you get a much better chance of them catching your murderer if you’re white.

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Now of that I have no doubt. I was just saying the idea that only rich people’s murders get solved is just not true. But apparently I misunderstood what the person I was replying to was saying.

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You should look up the stats before making wild statements.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high

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Which statement did I make that was wild? Because none of that contradicts anything I said.

I never made the claim that all or even most murders get solved.

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Regular old people get murdered all the time. Sometimes in targeted assassinations. The killers get caught all the time.

This you?

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I think the amount of resources expended is absolutely valid criticism. There are active kidnappings that have less mobilization than this fucking circus - there are times people are still alive and end up dead because cops couldn’t give a fucking damn… especially if we open the can of domestic abuse.

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I agree. It is completely valid. I thought My post suggested it.

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There’s also a non zero chance the police kill a 911-caller/victim/hostage/bystander.

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NYPD barely bats above 50% for murder arrests in a ‘good’ period - not convictions. 33% is abysmal given their absurd budget and frankly unconstitutional practices like stop and frisk.

Within the U.S. criminal justice system, criminal cases can be cleared (or closed) one of two ways. The first is through arrest… The second way a case can be closed is through what is called exceptional means, where law enforcement must have either identified the offender, gathered enough evidence to arrest, charge, and prosecute someone, identified the offender’s exact location, or come up against a circumstance outside the control of law enforcement that keeps them from arresting and prosecuting the offender

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