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You’re ignoring that these advancements in labor movements came as concessions from the bourgeoisie in the context of trying to prevent what happened in Russia from happening in Canada and the US.

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I think we are splitting hairs.

I’m saying it’s possible within the confines of the system. In the US and Canada it was done by the confides of the system.

I’m good with having a revolution as the last resort, just not the first resort.

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I’m saying there is no actual basis for it being possible within the system, though, unless there is revolutionary pressure, and even then this is only temporary and still requires revolution. That’s why FDR’s safety nets are vestigial at this point.

Revolution isn’t the goal, but it remains the only proven tool.

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Well I guess that’s where we fundamentally disagree.

I just want us to do more of what we did with the 1930s because that helped give us the prosperity we saw past WWII.

I want that because I know it works, not saying a revolution can’t work, but why risk things in these polarizing times?

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