Cool story, bro. Do you think that the twelve million fewer people who voted for Harris were all Lemmy Marxist? Or maybe they were just people who didnât like her total lack of a working class message, endorsement of the Gaza genocide, or attempts to woo, âmoderate,â conservatives instead of her base.
The Democrats thought that they could ignore leftists and focus on moderates, gambling on the looming fascism being enough to get the left to show up anyway to bail them out. Turns out that was a bad fucking bet, and they created a huge enthusiasm gap that cost them the election. Maybe try blaming the party that spent $1.6 billion on this shit strategy than a handful of protest votes.
Edit: For the record, Pugâs edit is a lie. Pugâs argument is, âYouâre saying progressives let fascism win because they didnât like Harris, and she wouldnât pander to them.â To which I keep replying, âNo, Iâm saying campaigns donât have good turnout with groups they donât campaign for, and Harris chose to campaign for moderates, not progressives.â To which Pug keeps replying, âSo you agree with me!â Also, he calls me an apologist for fascist enablers a few times.
Obviously, weâre not saying the same thing. His framing is an attempt to blame leftist groups for the Harris loss, while mine places the blame squarely on the decisions of the Harris campaign (since getting votes was literally their whole job). Youâre welcome to go through the thread and make up your own minds, but itâs probably not worth your time to read the whole thing. It certainly wasnât worth mine to write it.
â12 million fewer people who voted for Harrisâ?!?
Um, no⌠Trump won by (vote counts as of today Dec 3) 2,424,153 votes. I donât know where you get the idea that Harris lost by 12 million! At first I thought maybe it was a typo but youâve repeated that number in other posts. Donât just make shit up if you want your arguments to be taken seriously.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/
Harris got 12 million votes less than Biden got in the previous election. I guess that wasnât clear given the context.
OK, so if you are comparing those numbers, the answer is 81.2m for Biden in 2020 - 74.7m for Harris in 2024, which is 6.5 million votes fewer, not 12 million.
You were citing only her votes counted in the first 24 hours or so compared to Bidenâs total after all votes counted.
Cool story, bro. Do you think that the twelve million fewer people who voted for Harris were all Lemmy Marxist?
Funny that so many centrists have a strategy that boils down down to, âignore leftists and then complain when they donât vote for us.â
This you?
Or maybe they were just people who didnât like her total lack of a working class message, endorsement of the Gaza genocide, or attempts to woo, âmoderate,â conservatives instead of her base.
The Democrats thought that they could ignore leftists and focus on moderates, gambling on the looming fascism being enough to get the left to show up anyway to bail them out. Turns out that was a bad fucking bet, and they created a huge enthusiasm gap that cost them the election. Maybe try blaming the party that spent $1.6 billion on this shit strategy than a handful of protest votes.
God, itâs so predictable that you lot invariably engage in kettle logic on the subject.
Which is it? Was the leftist vote insignificant and cannot possibly be blamed for letting the country fall into fascism; or was the lack of the left vote what crashed the Dem candidate and thus why all policy decisions should be handed over to the morons who preferred fascism to liberals the all-important voting bloc?
Any other fascist apologia you feel the urge to engage in here, or are we done?
Oh wow, great point!, Pug! What a brilliant fucking comment! Except Iâm talking about progressives in general, while youâre bitching about a few hundred, âred facists,â on an obscure website.
Most of those 12 million (apparently 6.5 million less than Biden, when the counting was done) were working class folks that wanted to hear a progressive message about how the government was actually gonna do something to help them, and everytime I see your account, youâre bitching about a handful of obstinate communists. After seeing you do it so many times, it really just seems like youâre looking for an excuse to punch left.
Oh wow, great point!, Pug! What a brilliant fucking comment! Except Iâm talking about progressives in general, while youâre bitching about a few hundred, âred facists,â on an obscure website.
So your argument is, then, that progressives decided that fascism was preferable to a moderate liberal? As a progressive, I doubt that.
Most of those 12 million were working class folks that wanted to hear a progressive message about how the government was actually gonna do something to help them,
What a convenient and totally unsupported claim.
and everytime I see your account, youâre bitching about a handful of obstinate communists. After seeing you do it so many times, it really just seems like youâre looking for an excuse to punch left.
âWhy is PugJesus complaining about people on Lemmy while heâs on Lemmy??? Especially here, under a post about the kind of idiots who blame liberals for everything even as they hand them loss after loss??? I just donât understandâ
Keep mulling over it, maybe youâll figure it out. Eventually.
