Sorry, here I thought self-proclaimed leftists might have some interest in preventing fascism, but as many leftists on here have repeatedly and joyfully assured me, they donât give a single solitary fuck about the oppressed or the working class if Their Guy⢠isnât the one preventing fascism. Not unlike the Thalmann bootlicking that goes on on some corners about Lemmy about how right he was to hand the country over to Hitler, rather than risk cooperating with the dreaded SHITLIBS.
Red fascists have nothing to distinguish them but a coat of paint.
EDIT: They go on for a half-a-dozen comments or so denying that theyâre saying that leftists didnât turn out because they werenât enthused, and then go right back around and admit that leftists didnât turn out against fascism because they werenât enthused, but thatâs just life and we should deal with it.
Apparently, expecting antifascism out of leftists is above pjwestinâs standards for us.
Cool story, bro. Do you think that the twelve million fewer people who voted for Harris were all Lemmy Marxist? Or maybe they were just people who didnât like her total lack of a working class message, endorsement of the Gaza genocide, or attempts to woo, âmoderate,â conservatives instead of her base.
The Democrats thought that they could ignore leftists and focus on moderates, gambling on the looming fascism being enough to get the left to show up anyway to bail them out. Turns out that was a bad fucking bet, and they created a huge enthusiasm gap that cost them the election. Maybe try blaming the party that spent $1.6 billion on this shit strategy than a handful of protest votes.
Edit: For the record, Pugâs edit is a lie. Pugâs argument is, âYouâre saying progressives let fascism win because they didnât like Harris, and she wouldnât pander to them.â To which I keep replying, âNo, Iâm saying campaigns donât have good turnout with groups they donât campaign for, and Harris chose to campaign for moderates, not progressives.â To which Pug keeps replying, âSo you agree with me!â Also, he calls me an apologist for fascist enablers a few times.
Obviously, weâre not saying the same thing. His framing is an attempt to blame leftist groups for the Harris loss, while mine places the blame squarely on the decisions of the Harris campaign (since getting votes was literally their whole job). Youâre welcome to go through the thread and make up your own minds, but itâs probably not worth your time to read the whole thing. It certainly wasnât worth mine to write it.
â12 million fewer people who voted for Harrisâ?!?
Um, no⌠Trump won by (vote counts as of today Dec 3) 2,424,153 votes. I donât know where you get the idea that Harris lost by 12 million! At first I thought maybe it was a typo but youâve repeated that number in other posts. Donât just make shit up if you want your arguments to be taken seriously.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/
Harris got 12 million votes less than Biden got in the previous election. I guess that wasnât clear given the context.
Cool story, bro. Do you think that the twelve million fewer people who voted for Harris were all Lemmy Marxist?
Funny that so many centrists have a strategy that boils down down to, âignore leftists and then complain when they donât vote for us.â
This you?
Or maybe they were just people who didnât like her total lack of a working class message, endorsement of the Gaza genocide, or attempts to woo, âmoderate,â conservatives instead of her base.
The Democrats thought that they could ignore leftists and focus on moderates, gambling on the looming fascism being enough to get the left to show up anyway to bail them out. Turns out that was a bad fucking bet, and they created a huge enthusiasm gap that cost them the election. Maybe try blaming the party that spent $1.6 billion on this shit strategy than a handful of protest votes.
God, itâs so predictable that you lot invariably engage in kettle logic on the subject.
Which is it? Was the leftist vote insignificant and cannot possibly be blamed for letting the country fall into fascism; or was the lack of the left vote what crashed the Dem candidate and thus why all policy decisions should be handed over to the morons who preferred fascism to liberals the all-important voting bloc?
Any other fascist apologia you feel the urge to engage in here, or are we done?
Oh wow, great point!, Pug! What a brilliant fucking comment! Except Iâm talking about progressives in general, while youâre bitching about a few hundred, âred facists,â on an obscure website.
Most of those 12 million (apparently 6.5 million less than Biden, when the counting was done) were working class folks that wanted to hear a progressive message about how the government was actually gonna do something to help them, and everytime I see your account, youâre bitching about a handful of obstinate communists. After seeing you do it so many times, it really just seems like youâre looking for an excuse to punch left.
You know people can just read the comments themselves right. Dont need your edit biasing things.
Have you considered that the vote between democrats and republicans is really about whether we will abuse foreigners for our wealth or abuse our own people? Which one is the noble one to vote for again? The one that wonât harm you right?
Noble?
Why are you making this about whatâs noble?
And are you really suggesting that, if given the choice between their own survival and the survival of people on the other side of the planet, rational voters should pick the latter?
And are you really suggesting that, if given the choice between their own survival and the survival of people on the other side of the planet, rational voters should pick the latter?
Of course not.
Theyâre suggesting that between the choices of
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Americans minorities not being killed + the death of people on the other side of the planet
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American minorities being killed + the death of people on the other side of the planet
The only noble thing to do is ensure that the second choice is chosen. As many innocent people, and especially minorities, should die as possible - thatâs the only moral choice, after all!
Yes, you are responsible for your own nation at least. Shouldnt be messing with other countries people to begin with. Ideally America would stop being so fucking greedy altogether.
Have you considered that the vote between democrats and republicans is really about whether we will abuse foreigners for our wealth or abuse our own people? Which one is the noble one to vote for again? The one that wonât harm you right?
Funny enough, I predicted that the point du jour would change from âGenocide is bad!â to âItâs only fair that Americans get genocided tooâ
My point is America currently and historically does not care about people, it cares about money and power. Where you take it from is the choice.
If the democrats won we would still be an awful country just in a slightly different way.
