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Enjoy your bOtH SiDeS

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Not the person you’re responding to, but enjoy being taken for a ride. There’s always a Joe Lieberman, a Kyrsten Sinema, a Joe Manchin, or a senate parliamentarian (what?) to act as a foil, preventing any leftward movement at all and instead ratcheting right.

Neoliberals will sooner appease fascists than act as traitors to their class by doing anything left wing at all.

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We are fucked either way it’s just a matter of damage control. A third party win simply won’t be tenable anytime soon. I really tire of this conversation. No one has ever convinced me there’s any chance a third party could even get over 10% of votes. It’s not remotely believable. Seriously are you guys on heavy drugs? I honestly cannot fathom believing that route could ever, ever work.

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No, democracy itself doesn’t work. It’s a facade where the public thinks they have a choice when in reality there’s no choices and everything is back room deals that enrich corrupt politicians (nearly all of them) and industry. You just admitted it yourself saying how third parties are impossible. How do you not see how you’re a mark (like most of the American public) being fooled? Is it even a democracy when our candidates are chosen for us? the democrats havent run a primary that they didn’t try to ratfuck since 2004! in 2008 they tried and failed to ratfuck Obama and install Hillary, not that it mattered because the second he came into office he did a complete 180 and broke every promise he made to get himself elected.

Our country needs a second revolution and our government needs to be overthrown. Capitalism needs to be abolished.

Our brutal imperialism around the world led by both parties enthusiastically is not “damage control”. People starving and living in the streets while we have endless money for imperialist wars of choice is not damage control.

Just the other day in vermont where I live a homeless couple died of exposure after our supermajority liberal government threw them out of the hotel program because our liberal public is sick and tired of paying higher taxes. Meanwhile we have the highest homelessness rate and highest rate of vacant second/third/fourth/fifth homes for the rich globalist class that makes their money stealing our wages. People dying from capitalism enthusiastically supported by both parties is not damage control. Our supermajority state legislature of liberals is comprised almost entirely of rich property and business owners. An average person like myself can’t be a politician because it doesn’t pay a living wage so you need a second job, and a second job is not flexible enough to support being a politician for a few months a year. It’s classist as fuck by design.

Yeah, it’s BOTH PARTIES. liberals like to pretend they’re holier than you but scratch one (raise their property taxes) and the poorly hidden fascist inside them comes out. They’re ok with bombs being dropped on brown people abroad so long as it’s a gay black trans woman dropping them. They’re ok with their fellow Vermonters dying from exposure so long as their property taxes don’t go up.

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