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152 points

Don’t get me started on ds9. A black captain? A trans lesbian officer? A gay interspecies couple? The federation using fear from war as an excuse to become a police state? Can’t believe they made my colorful space communism show woke.

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I can’t be the only one who remembers Trekkies legitimately bitching about Tuvok because “Vulcans aren’t black.”

Like… really? You’ve been there and checked this out for yourself? Or is it that most (and not even all) of the handful of Vulcans you saw so far were white?

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Tuvok is the best depiction of a Vulcan in all of Star Trek too and I will die on this hill (Spock is half human, so I am not counting him). Tuvok seemed to me like he found humans (and Neelix) to be illogical, difficult to understand, and somewhat annoying; but nonetheless he couldn’t help but like them as well, though he wouldn’t admit that to them (tangential hot take: Vulcans claim to suppress their emotions, but they still make decisions based on emotion and rationalise them as being based on logic after the fact)

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Overall I like Tuvok as a character. My problem with Tuvok is they write him as if Vulcans have no emotion. He even says that.

Vulcans are supposed to have such strong emotions they need to constantly keep them under control and use logic to make decisions because the emotions cause them to make bad decisions.

I think that’s a lot more interesting for a character. Nemoy said he played Spock as a guy who was constantly in wonder at things and keeping it under control.

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23 points

You know what really grinds my gears about Vulcans? According to Trek lore their blood is green because they evolved using copper atoms to bind oxygen in the blood. But if that were the case they should have hemocyanin, and their blood should be blue.

I know for a certainty, however, that any inhabitable worlds we might find in the future will definitely look like a sound stage populated with Styrofoam boulders

Anyway, hardcore fans are dumb. I should know, I was one

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8 points

Not dumb, but it makes it impossible to love Star Trek for what it is. A goofy show that takes itself seriously about space socialism. And it’s incredible at that.

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Tuvok is black!?!?! I thought he was a Vulcan! I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that Odo isn’t a Shapeshifter?

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12 points

The same people now whine about there being black dwarves in rings of power

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12 points

You’re presuming a lot here. Like that anyone watched Rings of Power.

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7 points

I hadn’t heard that, but it doesn’t surprise me. I remember people not too long ago whining about a black Ariel in the live action Disney Little Mermaid movie.

Because real live mermaids that actually exist are white. Everyone knows that.

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30 points

A gay interspecies couple?

Rick Berman:

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12 points

Hold on, O’Brien and Bashir were the same species!

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11 points

Their third wasn’t.

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2 points

Bashir was just polygamist. And I guess O’Brien too if we count Keiko as anything more than a mate.

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I’ve seen DS9 multiple times, but I have no clue what you’re talking about on some of these. Please enlighten me.

A trans lesbian officer

Are you talking about Jadzia/Ezri-Dax? If so, neither are trans. The parasite, Dax, in them has no gender but can go to different hosts that have genders.

A gay interspecies couple

Are you talking about Odo and Kira? While Odo doesn’t have gender, I wouldn’t call it a gay interspecies couple. That’s kind of a stretch.

Edited for format

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A trans lesbian officer

That is a popular fan interpretation of Jadzia. I can see some similarities, but I don’t think the Trill are even as much as an allegory for transsexuality. That interpretation is very reductive and dismissive of the transsexual experience.

A gay interspecies couple

Garak and Bashir were originally portrayed with gay subtext. Producers put a stop to that before anything actually developed between the two characters.

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Thanks

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