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The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Indiana’s law banning puberty blockers and hormones for transgender minors, aligning with similar laws in 26 GOP-led states.

Plaintiffs argued the law discriminates based on sex and interferes with parental rights to direct medical treatment for their children, but the 2-1 ruling dismissed these claims.

The court stated the law applies equally to all minors and parents don’t have unrestricted rights to medical treatments.

This decision comes as the Supreme Court prepares to review a similar Tennessee case, potentially setting a nationwide precedent.

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Why are we debating this at all, shouldn’t it be the decision of the parents? You don’t agree, that’s fine, you can tell your kids no. If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?

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By politically isolated I’m going to assume you just mean conversion therapists who will try to convince children they are not gay or trans. Because if you’re not giving them affirmative care and listening to them the alternative is denying them.

Conversion therapy kills people. That’s what it does. That’s all it does. It is NOT possible to stop someone from being gay or trans. It has never been shown to be possible in any fucking way. Conversion therapy does not work, has never worked, and is equivalent in mental distress to severe psychological torture. It frequently involves physical and sexual assault. It involves emotional abuse and manipulation. All in service of forcing us to conform. This is the alternative. If you’re against affirmative care this is what you’re for. Think about telling these people that what happened to them was right. Think about going to the lived ones of people who took their lives while undergoing conversion therapy. Think about telling them that what happened is right and should be legal. This is what you’re advocating for. This is the side that you’re on.

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We have this in every country. In America it’s called the American Medical Association. It’s been invented already. There’s even specific subgroups and organizations of doctors and such that advocate for people who have particular problems and troubles, like the Multiple Sclerosis Research Society, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the American Stroke Organization. These things exist and they help people.

But you think I’m an AI, don’tcha? I’m not even snidely insulting you in this one. I’m trying to help in good faith.

Then again, you’re not here in good faith, so what can I do?

(The answer is to keep this here in case anyone is reading in good faith, and they can benefit from this comment. Guess I’m not really writing about you at all.)

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No it should not be the decision of the parents, it should be the decision of the patient and their doctors.

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Yes, definitely agree it should require the doctor to approve as well, and the child should also consent. The point is that the government is interfering with both parents and doctors by stepping in. Feels very much like your body, my choice here.

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This is a separate topic, and a big fucking no. You assume parents actually know what’s best for their kids and want that, but look around, most of these people voting for these bans are parents as well.

Parents can’t and shouldn’t be blindly trusted.

If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?

And if the parent thinks otherwise where it is legal?

Kids aren’t the parents’ property.

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Obviously it would only be if the doctors and parents approved together. Point being, the government is stepping in and overriding my parental rights and my doctor’s recommendation just because someone else does not agree.

And I don’t see parents voting for bans, none of these have been initiatives. These are law makers.

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You’re against things that alter kids minds and bodies? Like puberty? Well luckily there’s a way to stop that! Puberty blockers, which have been safely used for decades and are considered a medical necessity by WPATH as well as many other health organizations!

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