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“the greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter”

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This is some quote from an ancient Greek right? Socrates, Pericles et cetera?

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It’s one of the many often attributed to Winston Churchill, though to my knowledge there’s no actual evidence of him actually saying it and his other writings go against the sentiment. I don’t know who actually did say it first

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It was me. Winston and I were tying one on and I said it in passing. He thought it was hilarious.

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Churchill and ancient greek philosopher kings, famous champions of the common people

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As others put, no, but it does remind me that Aristotle felt society should only be run by the most intelligent among us, hence the term Aristocracy.

Of course, in practice people make up bullshit rules to determine who is most intelligent and that messes up the whole concept (e.g. Jim Crow tests and such). But it’s a nice fantasy if ever we could pull it off.

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If only Aristocracy actually meant society was run by the most intelligent among us. Instead, it means “society is run by me and my buddies.”

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Even if it was actually the most intelligent they would still have the power to hurt others for their own gain. In fact I imagine it would be far easier for them to justify to themselves by arguing merit.

The problem is that no government can thrive as a force for good in the face of apathy, maliciousness, or a lack of duty.

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Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the Commune, he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm

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That’s already more than any communist regime allowed, so lesser of two evils and all of that…

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Also a great argument for education reform

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Classical technocracy is where it’s at.

Tap for spoiler

/s

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